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  1. Okay, when referring to 10.1.13 you mean 10.3.13. Similar language is in the USPSA rules for PCCs. And it was originally taken from MG where it's very common for folks to have long gun vaults in their vehicles. Which is why we have this language in 1.1 #1 - Rimfire rifles and PCC must have chamber and magazine well empty and bolt closed on a flag and be cased or secured in a cart. Between this and the statement in 10.3.13, it is fine to take a flagged long gun from a car and put it directly on a cart. We don't see much of this in SCSA or even USPSA competition matches, but it is allowed. 8.1.7 - Normally long guns shooters can uncase at the berm or safety area or staging area. Some have tables for uncasing/casing, other don't. It isn't required to have a staging area, but is nice. The berm language was added because there are some ranges that have shallow bays and not a lot of side berm for shooters to uncase/case at. If that is the case, then the match should designate a staging area (if they have room) and let folks know they can't uncase/case anywhere at the berm. Or if space is really short, tell competitors that they can only uncase/case at the line or safety area if they don't have room for a staging area.
  2. That wouldn't be penalized. It's only creeping if they are moving at the same time the button is pressed. And the beep is actually 0.3 seconds long (we know that for one of the scoring systems in USPSA). So if at the exact moment the RO is pressing the button, the competitor is moving, then it's creeping. Like I have said before, extremely rare and not often called. FWIW, creeping versus false start will be covered extensively in the new SCSA RO class that will be rolled out in the next few months. And I did inquire about the "consistent cadence" rule and was told that before USPSA acquired SCSA, that a consistent cadence was common practice for some clubs and not others since it was not spelled out in the rules. So it was decided to formalize it in the rules. Every year we do a rules audit and a majority of the changes are based on member feedback. If this is something that folks want changed, I would reach out to Zack Jones and let him know so he can talk it over with the Steel Challenge committee.
  3. Interesting. I did not know that. I will ask around and find out!
  4. Like I said before, it almost always is a false start. Creeping is when the competitor happens to start moving the same time the RO presses the button (due to human reaction time, most movement happens at end of beep or after). If the RO sees movement before, then it's stop and start over. If the RO is not 100% sure the movement was creeping, then don't call it (as with all our other calls). We (Zack Jones and NROI) are open to member comments/suggestions on this. And yes, the same cadence for each string that we teach encourages folks to try and jump the timer. That's why a random cadence would be better, but that is not how the SCSA rules are written.
  5. We have talked about DNF and after some testing in PractiScore decided that wasn't the best way to do things (see this post for details: https://nroi.org/q-of-month-results/dnf-or-30-seconds/). I now realize that we didn't address the outcome of that discussion (30 seconds) in the most recent rules update. I will add it to the list for next time. The classification system is not part of the rules. Even in the USPSA Competition rules we have removed all the details about the classification system from the rulebook and just refer to a page on the USPSA website. This was done because we had the information in multiple places and updates didn't occur everywhere. So now classification system information is only available on the respective websites.
  6. We fixed the definitions of creeping and false start in the SCSA rules to mirror the definitions used in USPSA. Basically any movement before the beep is a false start and it's a stop and restart. Creeping is when the competitor moves at the same time as the beep, which hardly happens. 99% of the time it's a false start. The RO should not start the timer if the competitor is moving, but very occasionally the competitor starts moving right as the RO presses the button. That would be creeping. Before the button press, then it's a false start.
  7. Yes, 8.2 describes the Competitor Ready Position, and you have listed the 2 subrules, but notice that 8.2.1 talks about firearm preparation and 8.2.2 talks about start position and that reshoots are only for an incorrect start position. Not a firearm condition. This situation was a question of the month on the NROI blog and here is the post that explains it and how it is taught by NROI: https://nroi.org/q-of-month-results/hammer-time/
  8. Yeah, like Chuck said it depends on if the safety was on or not. If no safety, it's a DQ. And assuming Production or Carry Optics, it also depends if he had the hammer back, safety on, at the start signal. It would not be something the RO should correct nor an incorrect start position. If the shooter corrected himself before the start signal and lowered the hammer and was compliant at the start signal, no problem. If the shooter started hammer back, safety on then he has violated the special conditions of Prod/CO and would be bumped to Open per 6.2.5.1.
  9. That is something you need to take to the Board. The classification system isn't a rules thing, it's a HQ thing. The previous president was asked often about uncoupling PCC and handgun classifications but said there wasn't data to support the change. I know a few people who are only A-class handgun shooters and GM in PCC and would like it to be changed. Maybe there is enough data for the BOD to consider changing it now.
  10. Actually the info is on the webpage (https://uspsa.org/pages/about/classification) under the 'C' flag definition: "Scores that are more than one class below the member's highest classification in any other division are flagged with "C." For example, if a member with an ‘A’ classification in Open division submits a C-class score in Limited division, the score will be assigned a "C" flag. An exception to this is if the member has not established a classification in a division. If a member is not classified in a division, all scores higher than 2 percent will be entered in that division until a classification is earned. However, if the resulting classification is more than one class below the other division’s classification, the member will be automatically moved to the classification bracket that is one class below the other division."
  11. There is info about the classification system in the very front of the USPSA Competition Rules, but the most up-to-date info is on the USPSA website: https://uspsa.org/pages/about/classification. The info about the classification system used to be in the front of the Classifier Diagram book, which we don't have anymore because everything was moved online. I think the question being discussed here was in that book, but didn't make it to the webpage. I have a copy of it. I'll see if I can get it added to the info on the USPSA website.
  12. I didn't mean for that to come off like that, but the reality is it might be something that eventually happens if a SC-only certification does happen or the number of USPSA w/SC endorsement ROs grows to a high enough level. The main reason we require a certain number of certified staff on each stage at major matches for USPSA is to ensure the rules are applied properly and the proper range commands are used. Wouldn't you also want that for SCSA if enough certified officials were available? And yeah, even just having certified ROs in a local club is always beneficial. I can't argue with that.
  13. I am finding this discussion interesting, as one of the folks who teaches ROs/CROs/RMs and develops the teaching materials for NROI. All the points about a SC-only RO class that have been brought up in this thread have been discussed in the last few years. And yes, figuring out if 20 people or a few thousand people are interested in a SC-only certification is something we really want to know. Previously, we used to allow clubs to add the SC endorsement class to a RO or CRO class. It took about an hour to go through the differences between the USPSA and SCSA rules. We used to charge $20 a student for the in-person endorsement add-on class. Since we have moved it online, it still is a "here are the differences between USPSA and SCSA rules" class and the endorsement is free of charge. And FYI, NROI really is not a major money maker for USPSA. We are lucky to break even, especially now with the cost of travel. If you want to learn about seminar costs, it is outlined here https://uspsa.org/pages/nroi/seminar. Right now, SCSA rules do not require certified ROs at any level of competition (see Appendix A1), unlike USPSA. At Tier 4 matches, a certified RM is mandatory (and yes, that is a certified USPSA RM) but that is the only requirement. In USPSA, we require certified officials starting at Level II matches (the equivalent to SC Tier 2 matches). We require at least one certified official on each stage for LII and certified CROs for LIII and Nationals. And anymore, most almost all staff at LII and above matches are certified. We have talked about requiring certified officials for SCSA matches, like we do for USPSA, but understand that there are some very dedicated and hard working SC competitors who are also great staff and not USPSA ROs and we didn't want to alienate them. So my question is to those of you who want a SC-only RO certification: 1.) If we implemented that class, would you be okay with also requiring certified officials at Tier 2 and above matches?, 2.) Do you think that requiring certified staff at Tier 2 and above would motivate people to get a SC-only endorsement?
  14. It isn't violating the the rule (or wording of the rule) to allow a competitor to switch to an iron sighted gun if their Open gun breaks. You have to read past the first sentence of 5.1.7: 5.1.7 Competitors must use the same firearm and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match. However, in the event that a competitor’s original firearm and/or sights become unserviceable or unsafe during a match, the competitor must, before using a substitute firearm and/or sights, seek permission from the Range Master who may approve the substitution provided he is satisfied: The 'however' allows for exceptions to the first sentence and 5.1.7.1-5.1.7.3 outline the replacement criteria. Now, using an iron sighted gun as a replacement in CO is not allowed because CO rules require a slide mounted optic. But for Open, an iron sighted gun still meets the division requirements and is not a competitive advantage and is within the rules.
  15. In USPSA, if you only have a production gun as a backup to your CO gun and the CO gun/sight broke, yes we would allow you to switch guns and move you to Open minor. We have a couple posts on the NROI Blog about this if you want to read more: https://nroi.org/rules-insights/when-the-gun-breaks-the-rm-must-be-called/ https://nroi.org/rules-qa/gun-swap-q-a/
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