cbrussell Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, clw42 said: Totally agree on the Dillon front. How they haven't seen the 10 station need is beyond me. MK7 should have been the wake up call. While I appreciate upgraded designs, new innovations always catch my eye. Funny (not haha) you had issues with the 1100 priming system and I was scared off by reports of MK7 issues. You didn't have them with the MK7 and I haven't had any with the 1100...Like I said, if I were buying now (and FA wasn't coming out with the X10) I'd likely get the MK7. Competition is always a good thing!! I think Dillon makes a variety of presses at various price points and sees no real reason to innovate. Unfortunately, I believe if Mike was still alive and running the show Dillon would have a 10 station press and probably a bunch more innovative products, Zi can’t imagine him not being out front of the pack. Their automation system really looks inferior to Mark 7’s. Maybe they will make substantial improvements moving forward but I remain skeptical. Got my start in progressive press reloading with Dillon; still a loyal customer. Just wish they would use their considerable engineering/production/service talents to innovate and advance the reloading industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrussell Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, HOGRIDER said: Agree! I have seen several videos/posts about how the X10 will run just fine once it's set up "correctly". But have not seen anyone discuss/talk about consistent primer seating depths and/or consistent OALs of finished cartridges. Would also like to hear how well the powder measure dispenses with popular powders........... Hopefully after SHOT they will be hitting distributors warehouses for shipment. I've read that Midway USA has 200 units that will be available shortly................. https://www.midwayusa.com/reloading-presses-and-accessories/br?cid=23847&Brand=Frankford Arsenal I agree; consistent accuracy is everything when reloading. One of my fantasies is for someone to produce a super accurate powder measure for progressive presses. Currently, it seems when modified the Dillon is best but there has got to be a better solution. I think I might start a new topic asking for desired progressive press Innovations; could be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 1:31 PM, cbrussell said: snip... . I think I might start a new topic asking for desired progressive press Innovations; could be fun. I like the idea and I have to ask if you have checked the lee auto drum. It has been a while since I went hunting one, so I am gunna look after my next post. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 been thinking... about this fx press. I think I want it. and... I kinda paused. What does this press solve for me. If I think my reloading takes time what I want is to reduce the time spent. The fastest reloading is to buy ammo. so cost does matter in part. Making ammo that better fits a given weapon is a bonus. That can make the savings greater or at least avoided costs can be considered as a savings. That leaves trying to save time as a good reason to look for a better press. I want the FX for the swage option during a reload run. It saves me the time spent doing one case at a time on a single die press. but that is all it will save me. I can reload pistol with ease and a Dillon 650/750 gets me that. The rifle work requires two runs because case trim, like swaging, is a run through a press to prepare the cases... two runs ignoring swaging. My number one and two time eaters are sorting brass and loading primers. Rifle brass takes more steps and this press does not save me from the time of taking two trips to get loaded ammo. For Dillon to get in front of this, they need to make a case prep head with debur inside and out, and add a primer pocket cutter option. I think a 650 with the pocket cutter replacing the primer system can work. This idea is why I keep looking at Lee's 6... This option from Dillon will not be much cheaper than the FX. However, it will more closely fit the process I know I use. What I want is a good primer collator. One that does not vibrate to work and avoids creation of explosive dust. All this sure is entertaining to consider. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67isb Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 4:07 PM, Miranda said: For Dillon to get in front of this, they need to make a case prep head with debur inside and out, and add a primer pocket cutter option. I think a 650 with the pocket cutter replacing the primer system can work. miranda Immortal Arms has the VP primer pocket reamer for the 1050/1100. I doubt Dillon will release anything like this. Sad to say, but feels like Dillon is not doing much innovation these days while the competition (Mark 7, Frankford Arsenal) is spending money on R&D and release new products. https://immortobot.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 10:24 AM, cbrussell said: Just wish they would use their considerable engineering/production/service talents to innovate and advance the reloading industry. I don't think they have near the engineering/production/service talent they had when Mike was alive. I think he personally was the drive there, it just doesn't seem to be there anymore. Look how long it has been taking them to actually bring product to the market, ie. 1100, 750, auto drive. Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 hours ago, 67isb said: Immortal Arms has the VP primer pocket reamer for the 1050/1100. I doubt Dillon will release anything like this. Sad to say, but feels like Dillon is not doing much innovation these days while the competition (Mark 7, Frankford Arsenal) is spending money on R&D and release new products. https://immortobot.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=72 mmmmm making an accessory that is over half the price of the item accessorized is not completely un-reasonable... I have to point out that a Dillon case trimmer is not that much coin as that option from immortobot. so I guess a primer pocket cutter is possible to fit to a 650... I suspect I'd get a lee 6 holer to experiment... for the case prep press. hohohohohohoh 'course the case trimmer does double the price. And so does adding a case feeder... I can see a place in the reloading world for the FX press and not so much for seeing it making my reloading easier... it sure has my attention though. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 16 hours ago, 67isb said: Immortal Arms has the VP primer pocket reamer for the 1050/1100. I doubt Dillon will release anything like this. Sad to say, but feels like Dillon is not doing much innovation these days while the competition (Mark 7, Frankford Arsenal) is spending money on R&D and release new products. https://immortobot.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=72 What's the advantage of this over the swager the 1100 comes with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18111811 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 16 hours ago, 67isb said: Immortal Arms has the VP primer pocket reamer for the 1050/1100. I doubt Dillon will release anything like this. Sad to say, but feels like Dillon is not doing much innovation these days while the competition (Mark 7, Frankford Arsenal) is spending money on R&D and release new products. https://immortobot.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=72 is that adaptable to a 750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67isb Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, dtuns said: What's the advantage of this over the swager the 1100 comes with? It is supposed to cut the primer pocket perfectly (width/depth). The swager just swages and get it close, but no adjustment for depth or width. I do not have it yet, but will certainly put it on my future buy list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Most press mounted swagers will not displace enough material, to adequately seat a standard primer, in a lot of brass such as Federal NT and much of the military spec brass as there's just too much brass to "move". Never a concern if using a primer pocket reamer! And Vincent has stated he will develop/offer the pocket reamers for any other manufacturers that will provide him access to their particular machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, HOGRIDER said: Most press mounted swagers will not displace enough material, to adequately seat a standard primer I have not found this to be the case with my Dillon Super 1050. It is super rare to get a primer crushed due to issues with the primer pocket, and I have reloaded all kinds of plenty of crimped military 223 and 9mm brass. I will say you do have to pay attention to the swager tip. It can become deformed or damaged in a way that will not properly swage. I have just upgraded the 1050 with an Mark7 Autodrive, so I have yet to put the Mark7 swagger through the paces to know if it holds up and swages as good as the 1050 native swager. Not saying there is room for improvement just observations that I have not had primer pocket issues with the 1050 swager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said: I have not found this to be the case with my Dillon Super 1050. It is super rare to get a primer crushed due to issues with the primer pocket, and I have reloaded all kinds of plenty of crimped military 223 and 9mm brass. I will say you do have to pay attention to the swager tip. It can become deformed or damaged in a way that will not properly swage. I have just upgraded the 1050 with an Mark7 Autodrive, so I have yet to put the Mark7 swagger through the paces to know if it holds up and swages as good as the 1050 native swager. Not saying there is room for improvement just observations that I have not had primer pocket issues with the 1050 swager. Understand where your coming from. I've mostly head these negative comments from people that process a "ton" of brass. They may even be commercial reloaders. I have personally went through the aggravation of trying to set up a swage rod that will produce adequate pocket dimensions on heavy crimped 9mm without flexing the shell plate excessively. For me it was a no win battle. This was one of the reasons I went to pre-processed, same headstamp brass! And I still have the swage in normal operation but set for practically zero shell plate deflection. Hope the swage sense works well for you! And enjoy the automation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, HOGRIDER said: This was one of the reasons I went to pre-processed, same headstamp brass! This does make reloading a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Boomstick303 said: This does make reloading a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clw42 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 hours ago, dtuns said: What's the advantage of this over the swager the 1100 comes with? It goes to 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 hours ago, 18111811 said: is that adaptable to a 750 weeeeell... this may become a discussion over the meaning of adaptable... that said, the reaming tool looks to be about an inch tall that size means it is possible... power shaft and a housing to attach to press and some good bearings and adjustments . less clear is the adapting of the new device is probably best set where the primer goes into case. I have no guess for the adaptation being a bolt in option for the primer system. hard to imagine the sound of all that whirring... A 750 with primer pocket cutter spinning a case trimmer and the inside and outside deburring whirlygigs what the heck. motorize the crank too! thar! automated case prep... I hand crank the reloading press. interesting... I need to go fix my car. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboos Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Although it doesn't mean much if they are not ready to ship: the FA website lists the X-10 at $1200 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, eboos said: Although it doesn't mean much if they are not ready to ship: the FA website lists the X-10 at $1200 again. SHOT guys said Mar 1 and its $1249 MSRP and another $149 for the bullet feeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, broadside72 said: SHOT guys said Mar 1 and its $1249 MSRP and another $149 for the bullet feeder. thanks for that news 150 for a bulletfeeder seems a good price. if the casefeeder is a similar price I may get one as I have been considering buying or printing one. so I think this new press may have parts that are useful for me even if the entire press is not a clear help. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboos Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, broadside72 said: SHOT guys said Mar 1 and its $1249 MSRP and another $149 for the bullet feeder. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Miranda said: thanks for that news 150 for a bulletfeeder seems a good price. if the casefeeder is a similar price I may get one as I have been considering buying or printing one. so I think this new press may have parts that are useful for me even if the entire press is not a clear help. miranda I believe it included the case feeder. the bullet feeder mounted to the same extruded AL post the case feeder does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 and caliber conversion kits were listed at $175 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, broadside72 said: I believe it included the case feeder. the bullet feeder mounted to the same extruded AL post the case feeder does Yah, I think the press has come to include a casefeeder. I was hoping the casefeeder might become a part I could order separately and be as a similar price. I made a bullet feeder... it cost maybe 100 ish bucks the time spent was a lot of fun and I would rather buy one if the price difference is that little. I want a 223 case prep press? A Dillon case feeder for that is a bit more last I looked. so while I am hunting parts/accessories, the alternatives are on my mind. I had hopes the FX could do a 233 reload from start to finish in much the way I can reload 9mm on a 650 a 650/750 will do case prep and I am adding things to see what may be suitable. I like the dillon trimmer as it does the job without fuss. this post is going on a bit more than I expected... I am willing to buy what works and I need. so while I do not expect to get the FX, there is every reason to look at accessories for the help they can be. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboos Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Which will be first? Primers back to $30 per 1k or the X-10 being available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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