Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 With the current ammo situation what are your thoughts on shooting USPSA type matches with .22lr? I started doing this at our local Thursday night matches, I call it Thursday Night Action Match since USPSA does not allow for .22lr. We follow USPSA rules and setup stages accordingly. These matches have been popular and are a blast to shoot. Would you shoot a match like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Please don't. It's one thing to run a outlaw or side match with 22's. But it's something else for USPSA to make it a thing. Over time the game will just turn into a rim fire game like SC has. We'll have to add more divisions too, making each division less competitive. IMO this would completely kill the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said: Please don't. It's one thing to run a outlaw or side match with 22's. But it's something else for USPSA to make it a thing. Over time the game will just turn into a rim fire game like SC has. We'll have to add more divisions too, making each division less competitive. IMO this would completely kill the sport. How about all of the current divisions? Do you think some should go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, HCH said: No. No - you wouldn't shoot a USPSA type outlaw match with a .22lr? Or no, USPSA should not add it as a division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: No - you wouldn't shoot a USPSA type outlaw match with a .22lr? Or no, USPSA should not add it as a division. Uspsa. I've shot some outlaw steel matches with a 22. There's a place for it--but that place isn't uspsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: How about all of the current divisions? Do you think some should go? Yes, but they wont. If we add more they will stay and we'll just have even more divisions with just a handful of competitors . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Outlaw match, sure. USPSA, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Racinready300ex said: Yes, but they wont. If we add more they will stay and we'll just have even more divisions with just a handful of competitors . Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Matt1911 said: Outlaw match, sure. USPSA, no. What do you think would be a good name for this type of match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, HCH said: Uspsa. I've shot some outlaw steel matches with a 22. There's a place for it--but that place isn't uspsa. What would be a good name for a match that is setup like USPSA but is shot with rimfire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I posed this question to Mike Foley in 2019. His answer was simple. He's not in favor of USPSA developing rules for a .22LR match. IPSC already has a set of rules for this ... It's called Mini-Rifle. He said if I wanted to do such matches to use the existing IPSC Rules. See: http://legacy.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesMini-Rifle.pdf Why reinvent it? It already exists and we have full authority (as a member region of IPSC) to use these rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 No. Why do a few people keep trying to change what already works? Go shoot your outlaw matches and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: What would be a good name for a match that is setup like USPSA but is shot with rimfire? At the local level? Rimfire Action Match National level? US Rimfire Shooting Association or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, Matt1911 said: Outlaw match, sure. USPSA, no. Exactly. Keep doing them. Keep enjoying them. Organized and run as outlaws at the local level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, teros135 said: No. Why do a few people keep trying to change what already works? Go shoot your outlaw matches and have fun. Want to shoot, but cannot get 9mm ammo and refuse to pay $28 for a box of 50 federal 115's. We cannot be the only ones in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Schutzenmeister said: I posed this question to Mike Foley in 2019. His answer was simple. He's not in favor of USPSA developing rules for a .22LR match. IPSC already has a set of rules for this ... It's called Mini-Rifle. He said if I wanted to do such matches to use the existing IPSC Rules. See: http://legacy.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesMini-Rifle.pdf Why reinvent it? It already exists and we have full authority (as a member region of IPSC) to use these rules. Thanks for the info, do they have one for pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, HCH said: At the local level? Rimfire Action Match National level? US Rimfire Shooting Association or something along those lines. I like those names - thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: What do you think would be a good name for this type of match? I don't know. Rimfire pew pew outlaw match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: Want to shoot, but cannot get 9mm ammo and refuse to pay $28 for a box of 50 federal 115's. We cannot be the only ones in this situation. 3 minutes ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: Want to shoot, but cannot get 9mm ammo and refuse to pay $28 for a box of 50 federal 115's. We cannot be the only ones in this situation. I don't think USPSA should change because some people forgot to plan ahead and have ammo on hand. Just go shoot steel or run outlaw matches until this all passes. I have enough ammo to run for another year or so but I'm still going to look to set up my old plinking Buckmark to run some steel challenge just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Matt1911 said: I don't know. Rimfire pew pew outlaw match? That would be an interesting one, may just Pew Pew Match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Nic_USPSA_C said: Want to shoot, but cannot get 9mm ammo and refuse to pay $28 for a box of 50 federal 115's. We cannot be the only ones in this situation. But we shouldn't make permanent major changes to our sport based on the current ammo shortages. That isn't a good way to set policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Intheshaw1 said: I don't think USPSA should change because some people forgot to plan ahead and have ammo on hand. Just go shoot steel or run outlaw matches until this all passes. I have enough ammo to run for another year or so but I'm still going to look to set up my old plinking Buckmark to run some steel challenge just in case. Have you noticed a decline in participation in your area from competitors not having ammo> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 One of my local matches will have a single stage just for fun after the main match. They switch it up on what guns you can use. Rifles, PCC'S, revolvers, carry guns, rimfire, shotgun. Just something to bring a little extra flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Racinready300ex said: But we shouldn't make permanent major changes to our sport based on the current ammo shortages. That isn't a good way to set policy. I would have to agree with you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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