REHChief Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 As someone who is a somewhat new (D Class Lim) shooter, I need some clarification on what I can do with my other hand/arm while shooting one-handed. Rule 10.2.8 says "However, the competitor will be issued one procedural penalty per shot fired while: 10.2.8.2 Using the other hand to support the handgun, wrist or shooting arm while firing shots." As you can see in the pic, my strong hand is above my weak hand's wrist so my "hand" is not the part of the body that is doing the supporting. Is this legal?  Whether it provides an advantage is not the question - just to keep this forum from going all over the place   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackCage Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 What is that going to do to help you shoot better one handed? My recommendation is to spend some time at the end of range sessions practicing one handed shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindAsABat Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 You cannot support your strong arm in any way with your weak arm. Just practice one handed shooting. Trying to game it will not help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBomber Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Not legal. IMO, you are using the other arm as a support. Hold the free hand tight to your chest. That way it doesn't flop around like a pendulum. You can't support the other arm in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderquist Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I don't think that is legal and it definitely wouldn't be effective. You should always place the off hand/arm against your body, this prevent your body from oscillating as you shoot. I also tip the gun about 35/45 degrees. Watch Jerry Miculek  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelson1each Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Trust me, if that was legal, everyone would do it.  Just plant the unused arm/hand against your chest and pay attention to your sights and trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Do this a hundred times every day and you won't have a weak hand. Roll one Wrist all the way up and the other Wrist all the way down. Or roll both wrists up and down at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Rock one wrist up and the other risk wrist down or Rock both wrist up and down at the same time. Do this a hundred times and you won't have a weak hand. Do both these exercises everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHChief Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 A lot of good comments here but nothing rules based, which is kind of why I joined. THINKING that it isn't legal doesn't help anyone. KNOWING it isn't legal based on facts and USPSA rules do help! Also TrackCage asked how it's going to help? Well, 2 hands are always better than one for stability the closer the gun. Putting your weak hand on your chest can't "stabilize" anything. Placing your hand on your chest keeps you from oscillating? Huh? Just seems weird to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, REHChief said: Putting your weak hand on your chest can't "stabilize" anything. Placing your hand on your chest keeps you from oscillating? Huh? Just seems weird to me. I think we started putting a hand on a chest a long time ago because it kept you from doing two things. 1 sweeping your gun and 2 shooting yourself in the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 9:26 AM, REHChief said: A lot of good comments here but nothing rules based, which is kind of why I joined. THINKING that it isn't legal doesn't help anyone. KNOWING it isn't legal based on facts and USPSA rules do help! Also TrackCage asked how it's going to help? Well, 2 hands are always better than one for stability the closer the gun. Putting your weak hand on your chest can't "stabilize" anything. Placing your hand on your chest keeps you from oscillating? Huh? Just seems weird to me. Watch a newbie shoot strong hand only with his/her arm hanging at their side. It rocks back and forth with recoil which moves the rest of their body along with the gun/sights.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHChief Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 Like I said in my original post - I didn't want to talk about advantages or disadvantages.  I also do not think opinions are helpful here since we are getting off topic a bit. I just wanted to know if it was legal or not and what rule covers it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, REHChief said: Like I said in my original post - I didn't want to talk about advantages or disadvantages.  I also do not think opinions are helpful here since we are getting off topic a bit. I just wanted to know if it was legal or not and what rule covers it If the instruction in the course description says strong hand only, weak hand only, then no it is not legal. Your picture is strong/weak hand  supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, usmc1974 said: If the instruction in the course description says strong hand only, weak hand only, then no it is not legal. Your picture is strong/weak hand  supported. yup , that's the way I read it as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHChief Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 What instructions?!?!? What are you guys talking about? Ugh nevermind. How do I delete this post.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJB Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It's illegal.  One procedural penalty for each shot fired that way.  Your other "hand" is actually considered your other arm from your shoulder to your hand. Check 10.2.8 and 10.2.8.2 for clarification. It took me all of about a minute to look that up.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, REHChief said: What instructions?!?!? What are you guys talking about? Ugh nevermind. How do I delete this post.... Â The "hand" is defined in 10.2.8 and based on 10.2.8.2 I will give you one procedural per shot fired using that cockamamie stunt of a "grip" if you do that when I'm running the squad. Â I bet you progress faster if you put as much effort into focused practice and studying the rulebook as you did in trying to game something that can't be gamed. Edited March 2, 2020 by SGT_Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 2:44 PM, REHChief said: Whether it provides an advantage is not the question - just to keep this forum from going all over the place   Nice try.  You harries flashlight technique (sans flashlight) isn’t legal in IDPA or IPSC/USPSA. The strong arm/hand myst play no part in stabilizing the weakhand, or vice versa, during one-handed shooting.  Why? Because that’s the way the cited rule has always been interpreted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 12 hours ago, REHChief said: What instructions?!?!? What are you guys talking about? Ugh nevermind. How do I delete this post.... You have no idea that you have no idea, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 3/1/2020 at 7:56 PM, REHChief said: What instructions?!?!? What are you guys talking about?  How about the Written Stage Brief? It tells you important things like the stage procedure which might include target engagement restrictions such as "engage T1 through T3 strong hand only, perform mandatory reload, then engage T1 through T3 weak hand only"  You know, those instructions............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 14 hours ago, REHChief said: Wow guys thanks for warm welcome into this forum and website.  SGT Shultz, thanks for the rule clarification. That was exactly what I was looking for. As far as gaming and cockamamie stunt stuff - I never said I use that technique, you did. Everyone in here automatically assumes SO much.  It was just a simple question looking for a simple answer back up with a rule. God damn guys. You all need to calm down! Why did you really ask the question? Did you look at the rule book? Do you shoot USPSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMonty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I have always planted my non-firing hand on the center of my chest, sort of as a reference point, and to help maintain balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Oddly enough, the people that shoot one handed all day long (eg: Bullseye shooters) tend to the 'I'm a little teapot' stance with the off-hand. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 7:19 AM, Sarge said: You have no idea that you have no idea, do you? I like that, well said Sarge.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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