Salsantini Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Yesterday I was working with some other instructors teaching a NRA personal protection outside the home class. The students were told to stand easy and that one of the instructors was going forward to demonstrate a drill. Another instructor gave the first instructor the go command and one of the students that was right behind the instructor forward of the line pulled out this pistol. The lead instructor took command of the situation and the student was asked to leave the class. I know there is a certain amount of nervousness the students have during the beginning of the class. But to pull a pistol out behind anyone even if you hear a command shows a lack of focus. I guess I'm asking what we could have don't to stop this from happening. Maybe the instructors could have done something further to stop this from happening?(Please forgive me if I posted this in the incorrect forum. I didn't see a forum that included this type of diccussion) Edited September 17, 2018 by Salsantini Grammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 IDK, sometimes people just ain't real bright. I guess what i am saying is that nothing is foolproof for the sufficiently motivated fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know few instructors who wear Kevlar when they teach firearm classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The only thing that immediately comes to mind is dumbing down the intro even further. I know, you shouldn't have to, but based on this lesson you may want to include very specific warnings during the pre-range lecture that no one is to draw a firearm except when specifically commanded to do so. But even that may not prevent a repeat... Best of luck with the next class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsantini Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 I guess you are right. We could triple stress no handling of firearms when someone is forward of the line. It just dumbfounds me that the instructor was right in front of the student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Not sure where else the instructor could have been, or why his physical position would dumfound someone. The students were told to stand easy while the instructor went forward to demonstrate a drill. In every training class I have attended, an instructor at some point has stood in front of a bunch of other people who are wearing holstered pistols. And in every pistol match I have ever shot, competitor, scorekeepers, and range officers also stand in front of a bunch of other people who are wearing holstered pistols. And at Gunsite, where I have taken a significant number of training courses and where I have competed in several pistol matches, the "other people wearing holstered pistols", are carrying loaded pistols, because it is a hot range. I know that doesn't answer the original question, but I assure you that the conditions I have described (instructors and others standing directly in front of those wearing holstered pistols) are quite common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 When I teach anything first thing I always try to do is get everyone laughing. It helps get people relaxed. In a training environment most peoples brain functions better and they retain more basic information when they are relaxed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Wait what. Did he pull the pistol out because he thought he was getting the command to pull out this pistol or did he pull it out because the instructor pulled the pistol out? Being nervous or anxious really isn't any excuse in either situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsantini Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 He tho 3 hours ago, SlvrDragon50 said: Wait what. Did he pull the pistol out because he thought he was getting the command to pull out this pistol or did he pull it out because the instructor pulled the pistol out? Being nervous or anxious really isn't any excuse in either situation. He thought he heard the command to draw the pistol. Lack of focus is a bad combination with firearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranoel Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 We go to school (class) to learn. Not because we already know it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 7:03 PM, hitman said: When I teach anything first thing I always try to do is get everyone laughing. It helps get people relaxed. In a training environment most peoples brain functions better and they retain more basic information when they are relaxed. That's not a bad idea. I could always give them a demonstration of precision shooting. The way I shoot should get more than a few laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsantini Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 21 hours ago, Dranoel said: We go to school (class) to learn. Not because we already know it all. I totally agree. I try to be reassuring and positive with all the students. If anything happens I calmly direct/re-direct the student. Getting excited does nothing but escalate the issue. We all started out in the same spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 When I teach someone that green I have them unload before I ever step foot in front of them. So should they pull a pistol they are a few steps from being able to discharge their gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsantini Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 6:59 PM, rowdyb said: When I teach someone that green I have them unload before I ever step foot in front of them. So should they pull a pistol they are a few steps from being able to discharge their gun. Good advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guns_and_labs Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I usually stand to the side, not right in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosswoodford Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 5:55 PM, Dranoel said: We go to school (class) to learn. Not because we already know it all. You’re not wrong, but there should be some common sense too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranoel Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Rosswoodford said: You’re not wrong, but there should be some common sense too, right? There is no such thing as common sense when it comes to guns. People do stupid things with them every day. We ALL learn gun safety one of two ways: Either someone (like my grandfather) drilled it into your head until you were terrified if you screwed up you were gonna get a heavy hand to the back of the head. Or you learned the hard way from doing something stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosswoodford Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Dranoel said: There is no such thing as common sense when it comes to guns. People do stupid things with them every day. We ALL learn gun safety one of two ways: Either someone (like my grandfather) drilled it into your head until you were terrified if you screwed up you were gonna get a heavy hand to the back of the head. Or you learned the hard way from doing something stupid. That’s fair. Some people just don’t get it, and that’s fine, but they need to make a genuine attempt to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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