Hammer002 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) When does the B scoring in USPSA officially go away? I know the old targets are supposed to be still ok for use after the change, but more importantly, our new order for targets is going to be the new ones with no B zone. I know I read it somewhere, but been reading so much I cant remember where or when. Edit: Found it Ruling on B zone removal, Metric Targets Effective January 4, 2018, by board consent. Appendix B3, 9.1.4 Per the USPSA Board of Directors, the B zone on metric targets will be phased out over an indefinite period of time. As vendors change target dies, the B zone letter designation and B line (perforation separating the current “B” zone” from the “C” zone) may be removed. There is no need for a scoring system change at this time. Rule 9.1.4 already allows B and C zone hits to be scored identically, therefore when scoring targets with a B zone, the B zone hits may still be called out and recorded as B hits, or may simply be scored as C zone hits. Since the scoring zones count for the same amount of points, (4 for major hits and 3 for minor hits), scoring targets using Hit Factor scoring on targets without the B zone will not be affected by this change. Edited March 14, 2018 by Hammer002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Here's your answer From the minutes of the September 19, 2017 USPSA Board of Directors meeting: The Board expressed unanimous support to approve a new target which extends the C-zoneinto the upper panel, eliminating the B-zone and corresponding perforation in theMetric Target, and will be moving forward with rule change process over the next fewmonths authorizing DNROI to proceed with the technical drawing to support the newtarget design. The target scoring zones will be A, C, D, to be consistent with the ClassicTarget. The existing metric target will remain in use indefinitely, allowing affiliates andmatches to use exhaust supplies without concern. Ruling on B zone removal, Metric Targets Effective January 4, 2018, by board consent. Appendix B3, 9.1.4 Per the USPSA Board of Directors, the B zone on metric targets will be phased out over an indefinite period of time. As vendors change target dies, the B zone letter designation and B line (perforation separating the current “B” zone” from the “C” zone) may be removed. There is no need for a scoring system change at this time. Rule 9.1.4 already allows B and C zone hits to be scored identically, therefore when scoring targets with a B zone, the B zone hits may still be called out and recorded as B hits, or may simply be scored as C zone hits. Since the scoring zones count for the same amount of points, (4 for major hits and 3 for minor hits), scoring targets using Hit Factor scoring on targets without the B zone will not be affected by this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer002 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I guess I havent paid enough attention, have they changed the scoring in Practiscore making the B and C score the same no matter what is entered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covfefe Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I resent the change! Missing a 2x3 sliver deserves something better (sounding) than missing lower A zone, which is 12x bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Covfefe said: I resent the change! Missing a 2x3 sliver deserves something better (sounding) than missing lower A zone, which is 12x bigger. It was the same points, buddy. Same points. And now it’s easier to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: It was the same points, buddy. Same points. And now it’s easier to score. Like the guy who wants an overlay to decide if it's an Bravo or a Charlie. (I just give him the "look" and give him the Bravo (SMH ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covfefe Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Ouch! My comment was tongue-in-cheek, though I guess all jokes have some element of truth to it (I need to improve my accuracy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Covfefe said: Ouch! My comment was tongue-in-cheek, though I guess all jokes have some element of truth to it (I need to improve my accuracy). Hey, with a username like that we’re expecting you to cause trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwray Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I guess I havent paid enough attention, have they changed the scoring in Practiscore making the B and C score the same no matter what is entered?The latest version has no B option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 If you shoot USPSA MG matches this has had a significant impact on those rules. Previously ANY single hit in the upper A/B zone neutralized a target (time plus scoring.) Now that there is no longer a "B" Zone, the rule was changed to read it must be an "A" Zone hit to count as neutralizing. Something to keep in mind if your previous custom was to just go for any head shot to neutralize a target - You'll need to be a little more accurate now or put two in the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygunner77 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: If you shoot USPSA MG matches this has had a significant impact on those rules. Previously ANY single hit in the upper A/B zone neutralized a target (time plus scoring.) Now that there is no longer a "B" Zone, the rule was changed to read it must be an "A" Zone hit to count as neutralizing. Something to keep in mind if your previous custom was to just go for any head shot to neutralize a target - You'll need to be a little more accurate now or put two in the target. Should have made the A zone bigger to reflect the size of the brain rather than the eye sockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Just now, happygunner77 said: Should have made the A zone bigger to reflect the size of the brain rather than the eye sockets. I suppose that could depend on the individual ... brain-size wise! In any case, that wasn't my call to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygunner77 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Schutzenmeister said: I suppose that could depend on the individual ... brain-size wise! In any case, that wasn't my call to make. I know. LOL. I was just saying that they should have that size. Edited April 1, 2018 by happygunner77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Z Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 If I'm not mistaken, the new targets are supposed to easier to see also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 7:16 AM, Covfefe said: I resent the change! Missing a 2x3 sliver deserves something better (sounding) than missing lower A zone, which is 12x bigger. On the other hand I thought of it as the 'probably just lucky they didn't get a Mike' zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwray Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 If you shoot USPSA MG matches this has had a significant impact on those rules. Previously ANY single hit in the upper A/B zone neutralized a target (time plus scoring.) Now that there is no longer a "B" Zone, the rule was changed to read it must be an "A" Zone hit to count as neutralizing. Something to keep in mind if your previous custom was to just go for any head shot to neutralize a target - You'll need to be a little more accurate now or put two in the target.If there isn’t any kind of reward for accuracy, what’s the point??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Should have made the A zone bigger to reflect the size of the brain rather than the eye sockets. Sir,That's not a head, that's an upper scoring zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 When I get to be King the turtle targets will be used a lot more. Cheaper, less moved around by wind, more rain bag friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: When I get to be King the turtle targets will be used a lot more. Cheaper, less moved around by wind, more rain bag friendly. yup Classics, Turtles, IPSCs, amoebas.... I don't care what you call them, I like them better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gooldylocks said: yup Classics, Turtles, IPSCs, amoebas.... I don't care what you call them, I like them better. Slippery slope though. Too many people start “preferring” and next thing you know they will be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sarge said: Slippery slope though. Too many people start “preferring” and next thing you know they will be required. ......and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I wouldn't care at all if they were the required target. The only problems with that I personally would have would be all the classifiers that would all need to be thrown out that use Metrics, and that we couldn't place targets upside down ever. Which is great for making people think rather than just flinging rounds at brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Sarge said: Slippery slope though. Too many people start “preferring” and next thing you know they will be required. We are safe, if anybody ever started following any of my preferences hell would freeze over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Gooldylocks said: ......and? There was a USPSA presidential candidate that wanted to switch. He didn’t win..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sarge said: There was a USPSA presidential candidate that wanted to switch. He didn’t win..... Is that causation or correlation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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