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  1. Hammer002

    8.6.4

    Yeah, he seemed a little off guard. Prob should have stopped u for the reshoot when u made it up range from him.
  2. Hammer002

    8.6.4

    That would be how I would think the rule would be correctly used to justify a reshoot. I had just heard so many people talk about it, I bought into it being interpreted as automatic. Has even bled into steel challenge. So many people referencing running into the RO on purpose if the run is bad. I was offered a once reshoot one time cause the RO touched me with the timer. Didn’t want it cause a good run. Several people on the squad said it HAD to be reshot. I declined and didn’t have to by RO decision. All they talked about the rest of the day was bad call by the RO. Even looked up the rule at the time and, because I was so new, I couldn’t make good sense of it. Guess it stuck with me until now.
  3. Hammer002

    8.6.4

    What was in my mind was how many times I had heard competitors purposely running into the RO to force a reshoot after a bad run. Whats interesting is the conversation came from exactly what you mentioned, Memphis. A new RO did just that, put his hand on the shooter's shoulder and I offered the advice not to do it in the future because someone may demand a reshoot. My friend corrected me to say it was up to the RO.
  4. Hammer002

    8.6.4

    8.6.4 In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence has interfered with the competitor during a course of fire, the Range Officer may offer the competitor a reshoot of the course of fire. The competitor must accept or decline the offer prior to seeing either the time or the score from the initial attempt. However, in the event that the competitor commits a safety infraction during any such interference, the provisions of Section 10.3 may still apply. My question is after a discussion with someone I hold to higher rule knowledge than myself who said not every RO touching the competitor during a course of fire is a reshoot. He said its up to RO discretion to offer it. I had always heard that was the interpretation of the rule. From looking at the rule again, I would say he was right, as usual. So why is it we have the situations where competitors are said to purposely run into the RO for a reshoot. Seems its up to the RO. Maybe everyone else knew this but me, however I had read it here many times attributing, humorously, the behavior as common with Open shooters.
  5. Hammer002

    Showdown penalty rule.

    Guess that means I haven’t seen it with my own 2 eyes...MULTIPLE times. And then then goes on to say..... Point proven. Nevermind, man. Again, asking myself, why do I come in here. Again telling myself, stop.
  6. Hammer002

    New PAR times for 2019

    I went the other route, RFPO build. Daaaannnngg it. lol. Will be a challenge for sure.
  7. Yeah, that’s a no go. Like Zack said, ask for the proper sequence. Same as a, stand byyybeepyyy Respect your opinion, as well as the guys I know are the same way. The best thing about this game is it seems to attempt to cater to what works best for each shooter.
  8. Hammer002

    Showdown penalty rule.

    The last part is where I have the issue. The RO can “decide” the outcome by either waiting for the shooter to reset upon making such a mistake, or hit the button and call a procedural. This is far more likely than a perfectly timed movement the RO cannot stop progression of applying the beep, and under the current rule, some would say, “and why would I.” The same type of RO would not see the differentiation in even the conditions you mentioned and call procedural on all of them. Leave it about the shooting. The shooter is either still, or not. If not, it’s a reshoot with nothing gained and the mental aspect of being told to reshoot is plenty motivation to work on not prematurely moving. I don’t like rules that allow RO manipulation. I am STILL having ROs insist the safety has to be on before a string, during movement, or while reloading between strings. Keep it simple = not moving, good to go. Movement, wait for competitor to be still or reshoot if before beep. No subjective, possibly inconsistent penalties.
  9. This is interesting, and what I have seen may not pertain to you, but I know a few guys like this. I usually try to RO for them because they are looking for a cadence through all 5 strings. Two guys I know get pretty frustrated with the RO if he is not keeping the pace they like. Especially if something out of the ordinary happens. It’s like they are trying to shoot 5 strings as one. I told one of them, a friend of mine, I thought he was leaving too much influence to the RO. He will shoot well if I run him or another RO that is ready to go, go, go at his pace, but then he will shoot bad if the RO takes longer than he likes to communicate with the scorekeeper or otherwise not be “fast.” I like to control the pace, giving plenty of time for scoring and what not. Usually the RO is waiting on me to be ready, not the other way around. Usually only a few seconds, maybe longer if I have to mentally regroup. We shoot together often. When I shoot rfro, I use a 25 round magazine for my 15-22 and change after 4 runs. I have definitely messed this up before. Have a little different routine with that gun, but I know exactly what you mean. The weight doesn’t seem to matter on this one, but I have learned to keep my pre shot mental routines the same between the 2 rifles. You are right, and it gets harder to remember what run it is when other things happen, like reshoots, or a break in shooting due to tablet failure, etc.
  10. Yes, for this discussion. Yes.
  11. Hammer002

    Showdown penalty rule.

    Only one comes to mind right off is the creeping rule. This one bothers me for the same reasons. First, the competitor is either still, and the RO begins the course of fire, or he’s not. If he moves in between are you ready and stand by, or between stand by and the beep, then a pause is needed and restart when he is still again with are you ready. If he is not able to be stopped, then it’s a reshoot if movement occurred before the beep. It’s that simple. My biggest problem with this is most matches take place with other shooting going on, and some competitors can jump at other than the sound of the beep, or even a beep from another bay. I have NEVER seen someone deliberately trying to “creep.” And if they did, we have unsportsmanlike conduct that can take care of that if it’s truly an issue. What I HAVE seen, is a competitor jump at something else heard and the RO is quick to start the beep while the competitor is either returning to surrender or has hands moving. In this case I have seen ROs tell the competitor it’s his problem if it messed him up, like in the case of returning to surrender and/or call the competitor for creeping. Again, the RO cannot start the competitor not in the correct starting position. This rule is far too leaning toward giving the RO subjective and personally manipulative imposition over the competitor. In my time shooting, I have seen FAR more ROs lacking integrity and/or experience than shooters that causes conflict. Intentional “creeping” as the rule seems to attempt to address should be left to unsportsmanlike conduct and no one is going to see an advantage to having the RO repeat are you ready cause they are moving around.
  12. Hammer002

    Showdown penalty rule.

    Absolutely agree with winning not due to penalty and that’s the heart of my feeling. If I have gotten any debate or argument, it is that the steel challenge rules are supposed to be stand alone, separate from the uspsa with the opposing point being the RO start responsibility is not a part of steel challenge nor 2.4.3. The issue sue is there are matches that aren’t quite as fluent or knowledgeable as they could be. Some can’t function outside of black and white words. Others, usually specific ROs, are looking to be pricks. What’s the chance of a rule change, Zack? ...and I really like the point about helping w mag changes.
  13. Hammer002

    Showdown penalty rule.

    Ok, this has been under my skin since it’s inception and have discussed it with several others and MDs and found most agree. However, I have also experienced ROs or MDs who prefer....well....otherwise. Currently there is a rule stating shooting a fourth string from a showdown box is a competitor penalty. Uspsa has always laid the responsibility on the RO to ensure all is correct before being able to start a competitor, and anything less is a reshoot. However, for whatever reason this specific variance was written into the steel challenge rules. Possibly a valid reason. But it’s still wrong in my opinion. It even happened in the world shoot and Troy just told the competitor to just move to the correct box and reshoot. Several comments from Troy and Mike have been it’s ENCOURAGED and not considered coaching for the RO to tell the shooter to move. I would sure like to see a movement toward this rule being change for next year. At our level II, the ROs are instructed to advise the shooter and reshoot in the event of a mistake. what do you guys think about this? Zack? Thomas?
  14. Hammer002

    New PAR times for 2019

    So happy and impressed with the job you guys are doing. This game is exploding around here. Hoping to soon get some attention to the Midwest. Rules heading in right direction too. Great job Zack.
  15. Hammer002

    New PAR times for 2019

    I think it’s pretty exciting to see the sport getting enough attention the times are improving so well. Personally, I would have supported the 8 second moves in RFPO and Rfro and probably Pcco. It’s far too easy to make GM if that’s the highest classification including the pros. Gonna be a great year.
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