obsessiveshooter Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 I'd like to pick up a cheap 9mm for dabbling in production. I mainly shoot a CZ TS in Limited, and I'd like the 9 I get to be somewhat similar in its feel. Tanfos and CZs have a lot in common. I'm not about to drop a ton of money on something in the Stock line, or a SPO1 or shadow 2. This will mainly be a truck gun but it needs to have a trigger I can tune. The full size steel frame Witness models can be bought cheap, and it seems to me that you could tune the trigger the same way you can other Tanfo models. But, they remain very unpopular as far as I can tell. Someone please inform me as to why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Lack of cool factor. And less checkering on the grip. Biggest difference is the roll pin holding the hammer vs the slip pin. You can polish them and stick in the same Patriot Defense goodies and get the same trigger feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalShooter69 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 I wouldn't tune a truck gun or replace anything other than factory parts. Use it and I can 100% guarantee you you'll get jammed up for swapping parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SoCalShooter69 said: I wouldn't tune a truck gun or replace anything other than factory parts. Use it and I can 100% guarantee you you'll get jammed up for swapping parts. Can you elaborate on this a bit? I was kicking around the idea of a BoloTitan Witness Steel for IDPA slumming. Crushing Wilson Combat souls with a $300 pawnshop beater has a certain appeal... My biggest concern was really the inability to install a FO front sight, but I'd get over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, SoCalShooter69 said: I wouldn't tune a truck gun or replace anything other than factory parts. Use it and I can 100% guarantee you you'll get jammed up for swapping parts. Can you elaborate on this a bit? I was kicking around the idea of a BoloTitan Witness Steel for IDPA slumming. Crushing Wilson Combat souls with a $300 pawnshop beater has a certain appeal... My biggest concern was really the inability to install a FO front sight, but I'd get over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertTortoise Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think he is talking about lawyers not functionality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 55 minutes ago, DesertTortoise said: I think he is talking about lawyers not functionality I think there is an idea rolling around the gun community that if you shoot someone in self defense it has to be with a box stock gun or the prosecutor will crucify you. I've yet to hear anything anecdotal evidence that any trivial detail about the gun in question has ever come into play in such a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 The Witness steel is a great gun at the price point and has identical guts to the Stock II/III guns, it just doesn't have any good sight options, nice checkering, nor flared mag well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Really the fixed front sight is the achilles heel. The rear sight is not great either. I put a red dot on one to try carry optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tictacticaltimmy Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, dogtired said: Really the fixed front sight is the achilles heel. The rear sight is not great either. I put a red dot on one to try carry optics. How did you mount a red dot Dog? I'm thinking about doing the same thing for CO but can't find any mounts specific to the Witness rear dovetail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 Sounds like I would need to figure a front sight dovetail into the price. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I had my small frame's front sight milled off. Novak cut, big improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, obsessiveshooter said: Sounds like I would need to figure a front sight dovetail into the price. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Done a few for different folks I shoot with. Mill old sight off, cut a novak dovetail and you can use any size combo you want. Rear sight takes some imagination or more mill work for the set up you want LOL Should have read the next post, I did Zombywoofs' Edited July 2, 2017 by jcc7x7 didn't read all the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 The Witness steel is a great gun at the price point and has identical guts to the Stock II/III guns, it just doesn't have any good sight options, nice checkering, nor flared mag well.The magwell potentially could pose a problem. I don't need the checkering though. I wouldn't and couldn't shoot uspsa without a FO front sight, but that can be fixed. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 5 hours ago, zombywoof said: I had my small frame's front sight milled off. Novak cut, big improvement. Sexy. I need to save @jcc7x7's account name somewhere when the time comes to buy a ghetto Witness. The "Stock Zero" if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 There are a bunch of what I think are small frames on GB for around 300.00 Are they a viable option for CO? Is there trigger parts for those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billthemarine2862 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Have you considered a Tristar S 120 or P 120?I have a P 100 that I really like a lot.CGW offers a ton of parts to upgrade the pistol.I polished, replaced sights and springs, and that is it.Runs like a champ and a very smooth trigger.I am in to it for a whopping 450 bucks.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 I see a lot of references to "small frame". I'm ignorant about tanfos- does that mean it will be small in the hand? I'm wanting something that isn't too far from the size of my TS, which is quite large. I figured the witness would be larger for some reason.Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) Small frame take CZ mags. Large frame take larger mags similar to your TS. Answer to Tictacticaltimmies question, I used a 1911 mount for FF3 I found on ebay for $20. See my post in 'open pistols' called "Po Boy Carry Optics" Edited July 2, 2017 by dogtired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 5 hours ago, obsessiveshooter said: I see a lot of references to "small frame". I'm ignorant about tanfos- does that mean it will be small in the hand? I'm wanting something that isn't too far from the size of my TS, which is quite large. I figured the witness would be larger for some reason. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Your TS is a touch wider than any of the Tanfoglios, the Witness steel grip is almost identical in most dimensions to the CZ 75. Small and large frames vary mostly inside the mag well. Here's a link to a glossary of terms: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZPat Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 12 hours ago, billthemarine2862 said: Have you considered a Tristar S 120 or P 120? I have a P 100 that I really like a lot. CGW offers a ton of parts to upgrade the pistol. I polished, replaced sights and springs, and that is it. Runs like a champ and a very smooth trigger. I am in to it for a whopping 450 bucks. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk I just purchased a P120 from Buds for 400 shipped. I love the thing! I really like the stock trigger and reset. Being a beginner, I think I can go really fast with it. And then when I feel I'm better than the gun, I can get some springs to customize it at CGW. I think I made a good investment with the TriStar P120. Here's some some fun action vids: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 I love the look of the Tristar that looks like the Baby Eagle. But, doesn't it have an aluminum frame instead of steel, and how does the grip size compare to the witness full size steel?Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billthemarine2862 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I love the look of the Tristar that looks like the Baby Eagle. But, doesn't it have an aluminum frame instead of steel, and how does the grip size compare to the witness full size steel?Sent from my SM-N910V using TapatalkThere are several different variants in the 120 line up.The S 120. Steel frame, no railP 120 Steel Frame, railThe T 120 Steel alloy, no rail.The last one is the lighter one. The others are much heavier. The feel is very similar to a CZ or Tanfo. There are plenty of grip options available as well. I really haven't minded the factory grips so I haven't changed them yet.The fit and finish of the pistol is far better than you expect at that price point.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 47 minutes ago, obsessiveshooter said: I love the look of the Tristar that looks like the Baby Eagle. But, doesn't it have an aluminum frame instead of steel, and how does the grip size compare to the witness full size steel? Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk The T-120 does have an aluminum frame vs steel, so it's a few ounces lighter. They're good guns, the grip is the same size as a Witness, the only downside is the beavertail: it's short and narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 Great info guys!Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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