TangoShooter Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I recently bought a RRA Upper and outfitted it with a Holosun HS403GL. Some buddys told me they had problems with the harder recoil on a blowback and "cheaper" red dots. Do you think this will be a problem? Link to comment
mikeAZ Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Try one of the Sightmark's... I like the circle/dot/red combo, visible in the bright Arizona sun. These are inexpensive and hold up well (lifetime warranty , save receipt)..... Used on my Vepr 12 gauge and CZ Scorpion carbine. (my son and my shooting buddy's CZ Scorpion's both use the Vortex Spitfire (Etched reticule / dot visible even without battery turned on and GREAT if you have astigmatism ). I bought one and could not get it sighted in (this one would not allow the vertical adjustment to go down for sight in purposes, both of theirs were just fine?, Go figure.... I find an open glass gives a better view, quickly. Link to comment
GJGary Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I am running a cheap pinty $30, the best $ i ever spent. Right height right out of the box and no problems. I wouldn't classify my pcc as a optic killer in fact just the opposite. Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 If you reload, consider tuning your loads to your gun. Initially I tried the reloads I typically run in a Glock 17 and Glock 34. In my PCC the PF increased from 135 to 147. Recoil at apf 147 was more than in my match ARs. I dropped the powder charge to PF 132. Less recoil with great accuracy and the same aluminum framed C-More Slideride for the past 2000 rds. Bill Link to comment
lgh Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Flatland Shooter said: If you reload, consider tuning your loads to your gun. Initially I tried the reloads I typically run in a Glock 17 and Glock 34. In my PCC the PF increased from 135 to 147. Recoil at apf 147 was more than in my match ARs. I dropped the powder charge to PF 132. Less recoil with great accuracy and the same aluminum framed C-More Slideride for the past 2000 rds. Bill Flatland Shooter - Which PCC are you running? Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) PSA AR9 with 16" barrel. Bone stock except for red dot, Hiperfire 24c, KNS pin set and a bmiller aluminum magwell. Shot around 2000 rds and had my first malfuntion last weekend. It was in the middle of a stage so cleared it quickly and did not take time to see what went wrong. So far it has not repeated. I like them so much I have another on order. Bill Edited March 23, 2017 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment
2MoreChains Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I guess it depends on what you consider "cheaper". Initially I was using an $89 Primary Arms micro dot. It ran just fine on my PCC for about 2K rounds. Prior to that it was used on an AR15. Only reason I stopped using it on my PCC was because I like the more open sight picture of a C-More. Link to comment
Old3GNR Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I put a C-More on my new JP GMR13. I have a C-More on a 9 x 23 Race gun. I had an issue with the lens shooting loose @ 19,000 rounds. C-More fixed it and the gun now had 69,000 rounds on it. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hello: I have a C-More that was on a AR15 for a couple of thousand rounds and now on my PCC for over 2000 rounds. No problem, still has a nice 6MOA dot. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
sweatpants Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I've used 2 HS503Gs on my PCC for ~2000 rounds. No issues here. Link to comment
photoracer Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I use primarily C-Mores on everything except a 986 (FF3) and a G34 (RMR). I have had more issues with Trijicons than C-Mores. So I have 5 C-Mores and only one RMR. Link to comment
OPENB Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I know of two guys that have had their RMRs die while mounted on Glock slides. Like anything, they can break. Sucks when it's a $600 sight. On a PCC, I'd bet on a longer life. Link to comment
gnhowell1 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 I've had a holosun on my 3gun PCC (JP) for 2 years and it's held up to a number of rounds (5000+), being tossed in barrels, falling on the floor and just general 3gun match shooting. Link to comment
jeb5000 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I have a C-More on a 38 super race gun, M&P 15-22 and a Wilson AR9. No problems with any of them after 10,000 plus through the race gun and several thousand rounds through the carbines. They are especially easy to pick up while shooting the 15-22 and AR9. Well worth the money. Link to comment
barrysuperhawk Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) I run 2 PCC's a .45 and a 9mm. Between the two of them I have killed 3 red dots so far, in the last 6 months. One of those dots lived through thousands of rounds on a 5.56 gun before I moved it. When it died, I figured it was just old, but the 2 new replacements disabused me of that theory. Typically I am all about generic Chinese junk reddots that can be had for very little $$ and by in large I still am, but I have upgraded the 45 to a Vortex, and I am shopping for another for when I kill this $20 amazon special thats on the 9... In the meantime, I am practicing how to shoot the gun without a dot... Edited April 13, 2017 by barrysuperhawk Link to comment
NinerRider Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 3/23/2017 at 8:50 AM, Old3GNR said: I put a C-More on my new JP GMR13. I have a C-More on a 9 x 23 Race gun. I had an issue with the lens shooting loose @ 19,000 rounds. C-More fixed it and the gun now had 69,000 rounds on it. My thoughts exactly if it will hold up to an open gun the recoil impulse of a 9mm carbine is nothing. Link to comment
JesseTischauser Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 I've seen multiple videos of Red dots falling off PCCs and broken off brand triggers now as a result of the extra sharp recoil from a blowback gun. It's not as violent as a shotgun I don't think but it's way worse then a .223 which most of us are used to. If you run cheap junk be prepared. Link to comment
mike4045 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I am using a Vortex Razor red dot on my gun. 3moa dot. It's a turf. If I use it on it's highest setting it turns off. Turn it down and it works great. Link to comment
benlineberry Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Eotech 512; so far, no problems.Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Link to comment
photoracer Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The C-More on my PCC has a 12 MOA dot on it, same as on my 10/22 SC race rifle. When you are shooting steel the bigger the dot the better. When shooting paper I would not go above 8 MOA and more likely would use 6 MOA. But I don't shoot non-steel matches these days. Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hello: I have over 3000 rounds on my C-More 6MOA railway so far. Still going strong on my QC10 9mm. I like the 6MOA over the 4MOA for USPSA pistol matches. For a carbine match I would use the 4 MOA for distance shots or an old Weaver 1-3 scope. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
MRBACKHAND Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) On 3/23/2017 at 1:13 PM, photoracer said: I use primarily C-Mores on everything except a 986 (FF3) and a G34 (RMR). I have had more issues with Trijicons than C-Mores. So I have 5 C-Mores and only one RMR. Which model of c more do you prefer? Do you have an aluminum model? If you do, do you think it's worth the extra money vs the polymer model? Edited June 1, 2017 by MRBACKHAND Link to comment
Aircooled6racer Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Hello: Just get the plastic C-More with a 6MOA dot and a mount. I am using only plastic C-Mores on my PCC's and they are holding up just fine. I just switched to an aluminum one on my open pistol but actually like the plastic ones better. I am not sure if it is the weight or the lens just being a little smaller. Thanks, Eric Link to comment
Tampa-XD45 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'm with GJGary and MIke NM. I've run cheap red dots for years on a PCC without a single problem. I think the following statement is more Internet rumor than fact: "harder recoil on a blowback and "cheaper" red dots." A 9mm PCC doesn't have that much recoil. Link to comment
Flatland Shooter Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Tampaxd45 said: A 9mm PCC doesn't have that much recoil. Unless you are shooting factory ammo or reloads with high (over 150) power factors. Tried some WWB and my Production / Carry Optics loads when I first got the gun. Lots more felt recoil than my match .223 carbines. Link to comment
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