Mikeski Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 So I just started loading with my 650. I have loaded 300 rounds and I am noticing powder on the shell plate and floor. It seems to bounce out when it moves stations. I have seen upgrades for the Ball Bearing, and the shell plate cam follower. Do any of these help, or is it just the price of doing business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mikeski said: So I just started loading with my 650. I have loaded 300 rounds and I am noticing powder on the shell plate and floor. It seems to bounce out when it moves stations. I have seen upgrades for the Ball Bearing, and the shell plate cam follower. Do any of these help, or is it just the price of doing business? I used this set when I had a 650: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dillon-XL-650-Premium-Performance-Improvments-Kit-/321399781658 It really helped smooth the operation out and the shellplate didn't "pop" into place as sharply as it did with the stock parts. Edited January 24, 2017 by TennJeep1618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichJacot Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The bearing and detent ball stopped my powder spill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes, TennJeep beat me to it! Also there is a practiced technique to loading 9 major without spilling which involves slowing your stroke as the shell plate indexes. Running the shell plate a little tighter helps too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Try adjusting your cam pin (13371). You'll notice if it isn't adjusted quite right, when a case is inserted too soon, it will accelerate the shell plate causing an acceleration and a abrupt stop spilling powder. If if this is adjusted correctly there is no need to buy bearings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) The shell plate ball bearing completely fixed the issue for me. I tried the plastic ball first and it was worse. I went back to the Dillon ball. IMHO the bearing on the rod that controls the insertion slide is not useful. I have not tried one so I guess I should shut, but there is no evidence that I have seen that the rod induces any sharp motion. Repeat...the shell plate bearing totally eliminated the issue for me. Edited January 24, 2017 by Brooke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Brooke said: The shell plate ball bearing completely fixed the issue for me. I tried the plastic ball first and it was worse. I went back to the Dillon ball. IMHO the bearing on the rod that controls the insertion slide is not useful. I have not tried one so I guess I should shut, but there is no evidence that I have seen that the rod induces any sharp motion. Repeat...the shell plate bearing totally eliminated the issue for me. Same here. I put the bearing kit in with only one washer which helps keep the ejector wire in place with minimal tweaking. Amen to being able to tighten the plate down tighter. I run mine pretty snug to where it actually takes some effort to spin it by hand. The only powder I get on the plate these days is from the funnel because I can run the press so fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amada8 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Brooke said: The shell plate ball bearing completely fixed the issue for me. 5 hours ago, Henny said: Try adjusting your cam pin (13371). You'll notice if it isn't adjusted quite right, when a case is inserted too soon, it will accelerate the shell plate causing an acceleration and a abrupt stop spilling powder. If if this is adjusted correctly there is no need to buy bearings. The shell plate bearings are a big help toward ultimate smoothness......(not absolutely necessary but at a cost of just a few bucks, you will be glad you made the addition) ....... BUT as Henny said, make sure your adjustment of the cam pin is where it needs to be. THAT adjustment is where I completely stopped the powder-spill-jerking-thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Henny said: If if this is adjusted correctly there is no need to buy bearings. Mine is pretty much dead on and has no effect on shell plate snap. The bearing is the first thing to change as it really takes the snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 10 hours ago, Henny said: Try adjusting your cam pin (13371). You'll notice if it isn't adjusted quite right, when a case is inserted too soon, it will accelerate the shell plate causing an acceleration and a abrupt stop spilling powder. If if this is adjusted correctly there is no need to buy bearings. What's your approach to adjusting the cam pin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanttolearn Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 link didn't work for me. i've found 2 kits that seem to fit the description...one is from a company called "hit factor" and another from a seller named "snowshooze". Any preference/any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loudgp Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I have the kits from hitfactor. And they work good. No issues Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtchevy841 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Snowshooze stuff here. Have his ball and spring kit also the bronze washer and just got the roller cam to try only to smooth it out more. The ball and spring kit with his bronze washer works great. Not one grain of powder on shell plate now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 7:36 PM, muncie21 said: What's your approach to adjusting the cam pin? When adjusting the cam pin I move the pin then slowly have the machine insert a case into the shell plate. If the case is fully inserted prior to the shell plate coming to a stop, you can see how this accelerates the shell plate, then suddenly makes it stop. Continue to adjust the pin until the full insertation of the case coincides with the exact moment the shell plate stops it's rotation When you sit there and mess with it, you'll see what I mean. Adjust it to extremes it becomes evident how important this often overlooked adjustment is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Henny said: When adjusting the cam pin I move the pin then slowly have the machine insert a case into the shell plate. If the case is fully inserted prior to the shell plate coming to a stop, you can see how this accelerates the shell plate, then suddenly makes it stop. Continue to adjust the pin until the full insertation of the case coincides with the exact moment the shell plate stops it's rotation When you sit there and mess with it, you'll see what I mean. Adjust it to extremes it becomes evident how important this often overlooked adjustment is Exactly.... and the roller bearing has no effect on this need to adjust timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 3:12 PM, amada8 said: I tried the bearing. It wasn't for me. It was only a few years ago that I found out about adjusting the cam pin. It's kind of embarrassing, since I've been loading on a 650 since the early 90s! My first 650 doesn't have a hole in the crank for grease, let alone zerks! To grease the link arm pins, I have to remove them! i know I'm never too old to learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amada8 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Brooke said: Exactly.... and the roller bearing has no effect on this need to adjust timing. On 1/24/2017 at 0:59 PM, Sarge said: Mine is pretty much dead on and has no effect on shell plate snap. The bearing is the first thing to change as it really takes the snap Sarge..... you say that your camming pin is dead on so it has nothing to do with shell plate snap. If you still have the snap after you have set the pin properly....then yes, one needs to find out why the plate still snaps and spills powder. I think what I (and others including Brooke) are saying is: for a 650XL user, if you are experiencing a shell plate snap, the FIRST place to look would be the timing of the insertion of the spent case into Station 1....... and this is controlled by the camming pin. I learned this lesson a few months ago when the camming pin nut came loose (with a bearing installed). You can test this yourself by loosening the camming pin nut and turn the cam pin several spins. Run a few cycles. The bearing will not stop the shell plate snap. Alternately, you can set the camming pin perfectly and remove the bearing....... the 650XL will run with very minimal (if any) shell plate snap. The bearing does an incredible job of removing this last bit of snap while allowing the shell plate to glide very smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I have no snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I think they make a blue pill for that Sarge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikieM Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 7:48 AM, RichJacot said: The bearing and detent ball stopped my powder spill. When loading for Major I still get a wee bit sloshed out, but I did the same as Rich, and it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPI Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 7:48 AM, TennJeep1618 said: I used this set when I had a 650: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dillon-XL-650-Premium-Performance-Improvments-Kit-/321399781658 It really helped smooth the operation out and the shellplate didn't "pop" into place as sharply as it did with the stock parts. Thanks for posting TJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 if your 650 is not indexing as smooth as this one (mine), then you need to do some work on the setup: The feeding of cases as dictated by the case insert caming pin is important. note how the case inserts to station one just as the shell plate stops. The index tab/pawl on the left of the press that interfaces with the plastic indexer ring also needs to be set properly. The final 2 pieces of the puzzle are the spring and detent ball and shell plate tension. I like the lighter delrin ball and cut approx 1/2 a coil off the spring. this removes any jolt as the ball goes into it's socket in the shell plate. For tension I found it easier to set properly with the bearing installed. it's still very much a knife edge setting but without the bearing it's very easy to go from too loose to too tight. you want it set so that it's not excessively dragging but that it's got no slop or play at all. I run just the bearing with one washer on top (saves messing with the ejector spring). oh, I also painted an index mark on the bolt head (right at 9 o'clock) so that I can monitor if the bolt moves at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Bullet fed 650, that's what I use too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I love your setup KA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Man.... reloader in a can ! That should be in a Sears catalogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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