juristrosins Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Read some topics (I suspect that not all...) about tube style red dot scopes like Aimpoint, but haven't seen any assumptions why tube scope was chosen over c-more or any other compact red dot sight. Any of you shooting with tube? As of now I'm very pleased with my C-More slide ride. I do not like compact sights (probably it means that I did not shoot with them enough). Trying to widen my horizons... so - why would I or would not choose aimpoint for my next open gun setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrn1975 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Are you specifically talking about the H1 or T1? I would think that their other optics would be too heavy for an open gun. I thought about placing an H1 on an open gun. It is a very durable sight. I think the three biggest things against it are, size of the window, price, and its only available in 2 and 4 MOA. Also, I have not seen alot of mount options for the optic. While I haven't seen one in person, I would think that it would sit a bit higher than a slide ride which many people wouldn't like. At the end of the day, the slide ride is a proven sight that comes in at a reasonable price. Other than battery life, I do not know if you would gain too much by going to an aimpoint. I personally just transitioned from a slide ride to the latest version of the RTS2 and I am loving it. So far, I have not even noticed the smaller window when shooting. I love the fact that it sits lower to the slide and I can think less about the offset when shooting partials. I will have to wait and see if it holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I've got a few "old style" guns with a Tasco PDP red dots. I tried the C-More but because I don't often shoot open, I can pick up the dot faster with the tube style sight. I suspect it's because I use the tube for my initial alignment. It is slightly heavier and the Tasco is supposed to be susceptible to breakage, so I found 4 spares, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 The T1/H1 scopes have some nice mounts out there that mount it sideways from the right side of the gun, and are pretty low. However I think that the reason you don't see them much is because they are A: really expensive comparatively and B: not what the pros use. And people like to use what the pros use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Back when I started all we had were tube sights, tasco pdp 2,3,4 and aimpoints the tasco's would break fairly quickly, so we would send them out to a dot doctor to bulletproof and wait for them to break adco had a tube sight that was bullet proofed, and I broke one of those the aimpoints just kept going, battery life sucked on the early one, but they all sucked back then the biggest advantage of a tube sight over a c-more for a new shooters is it's easier find the dot on the draw. which is something that a few hours of dry fire to learn how to index a c-more would solve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfisher Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Like this one? Circa 1996 (though I still shoot it) it's definitely a conversation piece. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1130146 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 1 hour ago, redfisher said: Like this one? Circa 1996 (though I still shoot it) it's definitely a conversation piece. Jeff That thing just exudes old school cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Years ago I used one in my Open Glock 17. Its expensive but didnt last. The first one last less than 3k rounds iirc. The second one went south in less than 50 rounds! The 3rd went to my shotgun with least usage. I gave up and went with the Cmore slideride. By d way Aimpoint replaced the first unit so the second and third ones were warranty replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdgun Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I use APs on all my guns. I am color blind to a point and can not see a C More dot but I can see the dot on an AP. plus I like looking through a tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The aimpoints are more reliable and more accurate method of zeroing than the cmore but they are bigger, heavier, more expensive and less dot options and mount options... back in the day the aimpoint comp was the sight to have. Then came the cmore slideride and its maintained its popularity to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juristrosins Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Ok, folks, now it seems clear to me, that tube style sights is more or less legacy and personal affection thing. Was thinking to get one of those for my second open gun setup, just to get taste of it. Looks like the best option is to keep consistent and put the same 90deg slideride on it. Thank you for your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 On 8/26/2016 at 5:25 PM, redfisher said: Like this one? Circa 1996 (though I still shoot it) it's definitely a conversation piece. Jeff Im assuming Geo, George the owner of EGW, built that gun. That will last forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo45 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I have an AP on my 40 S&W Springer Franken Blaster Open rig. I run it because I can dial up 2-4-6-or 8 MOA dot and 11 different brightness levels. I can shoot in a dimly lit range or bright sunlight, small dot for 8" plates (my nemesis) or big dot for Steel Challenge. Yes it's heavy and ungainly but failing eyesight and neuropathy of the hands makes you adapt and overcome. I had a Doctor on a 627 Smith for Steel Challenge back in 2010. Had an RO comment it looked like I was swatting flies while trying to find the dot in bright Florida sun. Funny now, not so much then. Oooops! My bad Don't have an AP. I have a Millet. See pic. NRA Life and Endowment Edited August 29, 2016 by buckaroo45 correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshoot Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 If it works for you, and you are happy . . . nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfisher Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 7 hours ago, bigboy69 said: Im assuming Geo, George the owner of EGW, built that gun. That will last forever. yep, George build me 4 guns back in the 90's. those two open guns, a 45. on a Para Frame and a commander sized 45. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 those EGW opens are cool! are they build on a tripp hi-cap frame? BTW the guys in bianchi cup still rate the aimpoint comp as the optic to have. cmore sliderides achieve the zero adjustment by exerting pressure under the plastic piece that holds the glass. it's not a linear adjustment and also means that the windage adjustment affects the elevation. aimpoints on the other hand have a internal tube type system and are moving the dot module relative to the glass in very precise increments. and it holds zero very solidly. it's just no longer the most 'suitable' optic for USPSA type shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Mine is built on a Tripp Research frame. The one redfisher has said his was built on a Para Frame. A couple that Tomasie has from Geo were built on Caspian frames. 12 hours ago, BeerBaron said: those EGW opens are cool! are they build on a tripp hi-cap frame? BTW the guys in bianchi cup still rate the aimpoint comp as the optic to have. cmore sliderides achieve the zero adjustment by exerting pressure under the plastic piece that holds the glass. it's not a linear adjustment and also means that the windage adjustment affects the elevation. aimpoints on the other hand have a internal tube type system and are moving the dot module relative to the glass in very precise increments. and it holds zero very solidly. it's just no longer the most 'suitable' optic for USPSA type shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Cool. Those old EGW open guns on the Tripp frames (didn't know some were parra) must have been the ducks nuts at a time when plenty of guys were shooting single stack 1911's with basic comps. They are probably still competetive guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 That looks like a 2nd gen caspian frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Has to be second gen, all the first gen caspian frames cracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 The one gun I have from EGW was built by Geo and it has a Tripp Research frame, just like the STI frame. I had the gun converted from 38 Super to 9mm by Randy Hollowbush, The Handgunner and it is now my steel gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfisher Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Both my EGW open guns were built on 2nd or 3rd gen caspian frames, I have a first generation caspian built by another gunsmith, the frame never cracked but I sent it out to have it welded anyway. the problem with these guns are the magazines they just don't pull apart and clean easily. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I can see trying the AP again; no more late Saturday nights trying to keep my C-More zeroed. I could make up the price difference on ammunition spent zeroing the C-More. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wa3gunNewb Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) Redfisher that 1996 pistol is a baby compared to mine. My only competitive shooting so far has been casual speed steel at a local club but I want to start shooting ipsc. I do okay with my 9mm S&W CORE and Trijicon RMR on plates but the urge to try a 2011 style pistol wouldn't go away! Walked up to a local gun counter recently and found an early Tripp framed 2011. When I got it home I started trying to learn more about the platform and found pictures of my actual gun online. Apparently it was made for an old president of the uspsa/ipsc and has appeared in a few magazine articles. The price seemed good considering the shape of the gun and 5 included magazines so I bought it. It could probably use a new guide rod, new springs as i dont know their age or round count, and i plan to replace the slide stop as it has been dimpled so it wont engage manually. I'm sure I will get laughed at by the guys with the new high end 2011's for my old relic, but I figured the history of its original owner in the sports beginnings made it kind of cool for me to start with. So far I have only shot some 225gr Winchester white box through it but it shoots amazing and smoother then anything I have ever felt Here is my vintage pistol: Edited September 25, 2016 by Wa3gunNewb Added picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 On 8/26/2016 at 10:59 AM, kmca said: I've got a few "old style" guns with a Tasco PDP red dots. I tried the C-More but because I don't often shoot open, I can pick up the dot faster with the tube style sight. I suspect it's because I use the tube for my initial alignment. It is slightly heavier and the Tasco is supposed to be susceptible to breakage, so I found 4 spares, just in case. I've went through 4 of the PDP's. Finally gave up on them and put a CMore on the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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