bowenbuilt Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Here is the answer from CGW, adjustable tension with a lifetime warranty: prev next 75321 Compare CGW dual extension spring trigger return system. Replaces the break prone OEM single torsion spring. Consists of a precision sleeve that is retained by any trigger pin, including the CGW TR-PIN, a full temper stainless steel spring clip, and 2 music wire extension springs. The utmost in reliability since you have 2 springs. The extension springs have an indefinite lifespan rating. Fits all “classic lock work” 75 series, CZ-97B-BD, all SP-01’s, RAMI, P-01, PCR, 40B, 85, etc. Lifetime Warranty. Does not fit the Omega lock work. AVAILABLE IN AUGUST, 2016 $38.00 Edited July 5, 2016 by bowenbuilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxerjunky Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I will be getting one for sure. Would like to get two of it will be legal on the shadow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tok36 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I look forward to trying them out. The design is allot different than i expected when i first heard about them a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenR Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Spring pressure reduced from oem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I will be getting one for sure as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Just looking at the pictures, it appears that you can run one spring using the center slot and hole, or use two springs using the outside slots and holes. I'm looking forward to hearing details. On the other hand I'd settle for "hurry up and take my money". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I'm excited about this, can't wait to hear about this. You early adopters be real thorough on your write ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Spring pressure reduced from oem? You can use 1, 2 or 3 springs and adjust the tension any way you like. Edited July 5, 2016 by bowenbuilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7sst Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Looks interesting, available for Tanfo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 that style of spring still breaks, ask anyone who has shot a lot of rounds through a glock. that style of spring can still break at the bend for the "hook". how much does this weigh? i do agree it is a very creative product! i'd be interested to feel a trigger with it installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 that style of spring still breaks, ask anyone who has shot a lot of rounds through a glock. that style of spring can still break at the bend for the "hook". how much does this weigh? i do agree it is a very creative product! i'd be interested to feel a trigger with it installed. From David Milam, an overview; 1) Stainless steel tempered spring clip 2) Precision 4140 steel sleeve w/3 grooves 3) Extension Spring The stainless steel spring clip is fully tempered which makes it very tough and resilient. It has 3 small precision holes drilled to accommodate either a single extension spring in the center, or 2 smaller extension springs L & R of the center groove. The spring clip clears everything in the frame with room to spare since it hugs the trigger bar closely. It simply springs onto the trigger bar. The sleeve is cut on a Swiss-screw machine and is crafted from 4140 steel with 3 - small spring retention grooves. The extension spring will be made from music wire and we are in the final phase of determining the ideal spring rates. Extension springs have a lifespan measured in hundreds of thousands of cycles. So it should be bye-bye broken trigger return springs. The system is assembled outside of the frame and uses our floating trigger pin, but other trigger pins will work equally as well. The sleeve is designed to "drop" into the TR-PIN's smaller center section, effectively locking the TR-PIN in place. The TR-PIN can still be removed with a medium tap on the end of the pin, exactly the same as it is now with the old style torsion spring. Springs are funny things. Our engineer says an increase in a springs wire size of just a few thousands can dramatically affect the life of the spring. Some thing with the total wire OD, an increase from .095 to .105 (for instance) can deliver an unlimited life span or one that is very limited. So initially we will only offer it with the springs we know will be reliable. Different springs may come later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DedOn Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 This looks like it will make it a little easier to install as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshrider Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 How soon will it be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 that style of spring still breaks, ask anyone who has shot a lot of rounds through a glock. that style of spring can still break at the bend for the "hook". how much does this weigh? i do agree it is a very creative product! i'd be interested to feel a trigger with it installed. The difference is in how often they break. Glocks and M&Ps that use this type of spring routinely go 30,000 or more rounds. In 60,000 rounds I've broken exactly 1 M&P trigger spring, and that was likely because I installed it upside down. I break the CZ TRS with boring regularity at around 5,000 rounds. Both of those round counts include similar amounts of daily dry fire. If this means I can replace a TRS annually and not have to worry about it then it is worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 And I've never broken a CZ TRS, not a stock one, not a CGW one, not a CZC one. Ever in 2.5 years of shooting them, across 4 different pistols and averaging 3k rounds a month out of any one gun. I have broken slide stops, front sights and extractors on my CZ's. I broke the Glock trigger return spring in every Glock I shot during a year's worth of competition and training. I think it's a pretty smart way to make this easier for people and hopefully have something last longer. I'm still curious how much it weighs and what it feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou13 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Can't wait ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) Never mind...answered my own question. Edited July 7, 2016 by LeviSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 Never mind...answered my own question. AVAILABLE IN AUGUST, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jacket Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I will order one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 sadly not legal in IPSC PD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fischeac Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Looks like a very innovative product, with a very reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 My TRS will be due for replacement in August. Maybe I'll push it a little. I hate trying to get the pin back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Spring pressure reduced from oem? If you read post 11 it looks like the springs are still in the r&d phase , so my assumption is that the answer right now is maybe . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 I would think it would be as simple as put in one spring and try it. Not light enough? Clip off the hook on one end and peel out the next hook, try it, repeat step one until you get it just like you want it. Count the number of coils you clip off incase you go one too many, place the other spring in and repeat step one.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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