roklock Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Ok, been looking and picked up a used trubor with about 1000 rounds. Now a few questions I am currently shooting limited with a Para P-16, lightened slide, 12lb recoil spring, 180 gn bullet. First thing I want to do is buy a Cheely setback mount to get the dot lower. OK, the proverbial question, 115 or 124 bullets? Which ones to try first? Or do you buy a couple of each and try each one? Based on reading the 115's "slap" might be close to what I currently shoot. I have 10 pounds of WAC so I want to stick with that as well. Then this winter I am hoping that with the setback mount I can still get a racker installed on the slide. Also I have read that some recommend replacing the guide rod with a one piece, what is the theory behind that? Can't wait to get some rounds down the barrel. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) I shoot 115 MG with wac. Used to use 124 and prefer 115's. Yes, I would ditch the recoil master for a 1pc gr with a 7-8# spring. Edited September 17, 2015 by echotango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan311 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I shoot 124 with my Trubor. I found it a bit easier to make the PF with the larger projectile. Less powder in an already full case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 No holes in the barrel use 115s. I use the one piece aluminum guide rod from Briley, I takes an ounce out of the nose and with a steel comp you could use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I found 115's to be flatter and they grouped closer together on rapid fire than 121-124 did. I run 7.8 WAC with MG115 JHP@ 1.165 and get 172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdiesel Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I would try both and see what you like...115s shold shoot flatter, but I use 124s...Using AA7 I don't know if I could get enough powder in the case for 115s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roklock Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 Thanks for all of the feedback... Will get a one piece guide rod on order as well to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitestir Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Another vote for 115's. I ran them in my old freedom gun works Sti before I got rid of it and run them in my Czechmate now. You guys that load long waste a lot of powder! I use 7.3 gr of wac in my Czechmate (around 1.135 if I remember right)and make 172 pf! ? Edited September 19, 2015 by kitestir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Since you're using WAC, you have plenty of room to run 115's (a few other powders take up too much room). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911A12011 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Try the 124 JHP Montana Gold. It's very accurate and consistent. It's more expensive then other brans but you are shooting open anyway so just get the best for your gun. The one piece guide rod will be smoother then factory recoil mater. Use a 11 lbs. variable recoil spring with it and you will have a predictable muscle flip for a faster follow-up shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltlover Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm beginning the same journey. Waiting on a Dan Bedell 9mm Major delivery. Have 8# of HS6 on hand and 5K Win small rifle primers. Ordered 1000 Black Bullet International 125gr bullets. I love the whole process of load development, spring selection etc..... Will be my first go round for sight mount selection, dot module, popple holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm beginning the same journey. Waiting on a Dan Bedell 9mm Major delivery. Have 8# of HS6 on hand and 5K Win small rifle primers. Ordered 1000 Black Bullet International 125gr bullets. I love the whole process of load development, spring selection etc..... Will be my first go round for sight mount selection, dot module, popple holes. I tried the Black Bullets in my open gun, and hated them. Plenty of lead in the comp, and strong stench of burnt plastic, even outdoors. So I retired them to regular 9mm rounds. They say Blue Bullets don't stink - but at this point I am staying with the jackets. Also... 115 versus 124... get the happy medium: 121 IFP bullets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggMike Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm beginning the same journey. Waiting on a Dan Bedell 9mm Major delivery. Have 8# of HS6 on hand and 5K Win small rifle primers. Ordered 1000 Black Bullet International 125gr bullets. I love the whole process of load development, spring selection etc..... Will be my first go round for sight mount selection, dot module, popple holes. I use BBI also, my recipe is 125gr BBI, 8.0gr HS-6, 1.160 oal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hello: I still don't understand why guys are trying to save pennies on cheap bullets for an expensive open gun? Think about how many rounds you shoot in the match. Then multiply the difference between cheap bullets and good jacketed. How much of a difference is it maybe $5? I can see using coated bullets for practice or a pistol with no comp but cleaning junk out of a comp is not fun for me. Another issue is the smoke on coated bullets? I guess for some they like using less powder but I will take a good quality bullet over cheaper coated bullets for my open guns. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) I agree with Eric. I only use MG(115's & 121's). Edited October 16, 2015 by echotango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I can understand someone using them in practice - if you shoot say, 2000 rounds a month, you save about $80 - not an insignificant amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roklock Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm coming from limited so I was paying $0.89/ea so I didn't even contemplate using lead in my comp gun. Basically break even on bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hello: I forgot to add I like 115gr Montana Gold JHP's, 8.8grains of HS-6, WSR primers and loaded to 1.170"OAL. Shoots flat and costs less since you get more 115's than 124's. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_Vmax Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 MGB 124 Gr JHP over 7.4grs of HodgdonLongShot, shoots great out of a STI Steel Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltlover Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Didn't mean to start a bullet war. Have shot thousands of 147gr BBI bullets. Figured I would give the 125gr a try in the Bedell gun. I'm sure there will be bigger issues to work out, trying to learn how to shoot a dot gun, than coated lead bullets. 1000 won't last very long anyway. The cost difference is quite significant, however. I can get 1000 BBI for $70 shipped as opposed to $135 for the MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I'm sure there will be bigger issues to work than coated lead bullets. No real issue, I you are scrupulous about getting the lead out of your comp. Save some money, and spend time cleaning your comp. I spend a bit more, and buy MG - personal decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltlover Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I've shot over 18,000 BBI bullets over the last few years in 9mm and 2,000 in .45 w/o any issues. This is my first open gun. Granted, I haven't been pushing above said bullets @ 1350-1400fps, am I really expecting too much from these bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunone Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 You can buy Precision Delta's JHP for between $85 and $90 / 1000 shipped if you buy at least 2,000. I like the 124 behind HS6 @ 174 PF. They shoot good and are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSGJohnV Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'm a bit biased, as I shoot for BBI, but I shoot BBI 125 grainers over 7.1 grns WAC, 1.168, WSP, mixed cases, to make 170+ PF. Spray some Hornady One Shot Case Lube in your comp about every 50-100 rounds and there is no lead, just carbon. Watching my videos with my stock Trubor there is smoke, but I didn't notice it at all while shooting. if you're like me, you're price conscious. What is a little work after a match? Should be cleaning your gun anyway. Same way I treat my limited gun. Clean and lube it after every range session. When you're shooting $2-5k guns, why not take care of them? Personal preference, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltlover Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I may be a little biased too Edited October 24, 2015 by coltlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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