George Post Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I see rule 2.5.3.3 is still included. It was my understanding that one was going to change for 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbmd Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I see rule 2.5.3.3 is still included. It was my understanding that one was going to change for 2015? No and was never under any consideration. That will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickoli Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Why the change to time plus scoring? Am I correct in saying it was poitns last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LChico Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 And it still is - 6.2.3 Each stage will be weighted based on anticipated length of time to shoot the stage. The following three point values shall be assigned to a stage: 125 pts, 100 pts, 75 pts Linda Chico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mberry Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Is there any issue with using a Silo in Tac Ops? I've heard rumor that it will be allowed as a barricade brace, but you won't be allowed to support the rifle on it- similar to the ruling on vertical foregrips in the past years. I'd rather not take mine off, but I don't want to play in Open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Is there any issue with using a Silo in Tac Ops? I've heard rumor that it will be allowed as a barricade brace, but you won't be allowed to support the rifle on it- similar to the ruling on vertical foregrips in the past years. I'd rather not take mine off, but I don't want to play in Open! Isn't that a supporting device? 5.3.3.3 Supporting devices (bipods, etc.) are prohibited. Description courtesy of B&T: The BT53 SILO is a novel and patent pending product that attaches by means of a Picatinny rail and provides; a textured front that can be pressed into barricades, Rubber side bars for “soft” side bracing and grip, a bean-bag bottom for “soft” interface on ledges, windows etc. and two flushcups. One Flushcup is designed to accept the Novel BT54 “Flushcup Stud” so the Silo can installed and removed with the push of a button. Weighs 7.8 ounces 6061T6 machined aluminum Type III Hard Anodize dyed black 1000 Denier Black Cordura Forward Rifle Support Made in America Edited July 27, 2015 by alma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellemt point, Alma. Because it is in fact a supporting device. Whether everyone chooses to acknowledge it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellemt point, Alma. Because it is in fact a supporting device. Whether everyone chooses to acknowledge it or not. As advertised by the manufacturer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickoli Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And it still is - 6.2.3 Each stage will be weighted based on anticipated length of time to shoot the stage. The following three point values shall be assigned to a stage: 125 pts, 100 pts, 75 pts Linda Chico Sorry Linda, I swear I read the rules.... Just not far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mberry Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellemt point, Alma. Because it is in fact a supporting device. Whether everyone chooses to acknowledge it or not.As advertised by the manufacturer A manufacturer who has nothing to do with 3-Gun. Supporting device is pretty open to interpretation. That's a debate for a different thread. I'm asking for the rules, not the opinion of the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellemt point, Alma. Because it is in fact a supporting device. Whether everyone chooses to acknowledge it or not.As advertised by the manufacturerA manufacturer who has nothing to do with 3-Gun. Supporting device is pretty open to interpretation. That's a debate for a different thread. I'm asking for the rules, not the opinion of the Internet. Just sharing the rule banning supporting devices which this clearly seems to be. Not sure how you could possibly classify it as something other than a supporting device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mberry Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Excellemt point, Alma. Because it is in fact a supporting device. Whether everyone chooses to acknowledge it or not.As advertised by the manufacturerA manufacturer who has nothing to do with 3-Gun. Supporting device is pretty open to interpretation.That's a debate for a different thread. I'm asking for the rules, not the opinion of the Internet. Just sharing the rule banning supporting devices which this clearly seems to be. Not sure how you could possibly classify it as something other than a supporting device. Well, thanks for sharing. I read the rules before asking the question. It's not classified as a supporting device in 3GN rules. My opinion is a supporting device holds up a rifle without your hands on it. My opinion doesn't matter. I'm not the match director. Just looking for clarity so I know whether or not to remove it, pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead-Head Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I have a couple bean bags in by basement TV room. I can't hardly sit on one without falling asleep. I think the amount of support they provide is what makes them so comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poortrader Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Last year, I heard there was a person using a triple mag coupler which was ruled a supporting device. There's really no advantage at this match because Larry will find a way to make sure what ever you are using doesn't come into play. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushmeat Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Mberry, I can speak from previous experience. I had a bipod spud on my bottom rail (that I slip a Versa-Pod bipod on for zeroing and shooting DMR matches). At last year's FNH, an RO told me that if my spud touched a barricade or prop port, I would go to Open. I took the spud off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy42 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Stages for your viewing pleasure..... Am I seeing things correctly in that there are no slung guns this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) You can have a sling on your rifle every stage if you want Edited July 29, 2015 by Moltke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy42 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 You can have a sling on your rifle every stage if you want Yeeeeeeaaaa...no One thing if I have too, but beyond that NOPE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langenator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe a stage consisting entirely of getting into an NRA-High Power type sling (the leather ones), going prone, and engaging a single target at 500m. On the clock, 30 second par time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Last year, I heard there was a person using a triple mag coupler which was ruled a supporting device. There's really no advantage at this match because Larry will find a way to make sure what ever you are using doesn't come into play. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Actually what he had was a Quad Coupler. The two center mags were loaded and were probably 30 rounds, the two outer mags were unloaded 40 rounders. He actually made it a point that it was a cool way to use mags instead of a bi-pod to skirt the rule. Had he loaded the two additional mags he would have actually been ok!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langenator Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Is this the Staff t-shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g10mm Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I didn't see any thing that had too be. If I am reading right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard762 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you use the Silo as a supporting device you will be moved to open. You could have it on your gun and use it as a barricade stop, or handstop, but if it is between your rifle and a horizontal surface it is considered a support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mberry Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you use the Silo as a supporting device you will be moved to open. You could have it on your gun and use it as a barricade stop, or handstop, but if it is between your rifle and a horizontal surface it is considered a support. Thanks for the clarification. Looking forward to the match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Howard, is that the same concept with the bipod stud swivel attachment noted above (or a small rail section added to the bottom of the handguard for a bipod or light-not for the match of course)? Seems a little unfair to call something hard, metal and thin a 'supporting device.' Sounds like either are legal per your description above if used as a barricade stop, but are these minor things illegal in Tac Ops if they happen to rest on a horiz surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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