rwagner24 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Hey guys, I have been having an issue I'm not sure how to solve. I shoot steel challenge only both limited and open. I have noticed when I miss with my limited gun (fiber front sight) I'm putting the pin on the plate but it's well above the rear sight notch. I started dry fire practicing with 5 small paper plates on the wall. If I do a run at normal speed and stop short of pressing the trigger on the last plate and really look at my sight alignment it's always above the notch. I looked at the ghost ring style sights but not sure I want to go that route. If I make sure the pin is down in the notch it seems like it takes forever to make my shots. Any drill or training ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Do a search about the gun coming back to point of aim. (Poa)....that might have some insight for you. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=100898&hl=%2Bgun+%2Bnot+%2Bcoming+%2Bback+%2Bto+%2Bpoa#entry1150754 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ok I will. It just seems like I'm not paying attention to the back sight while shooting fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 If the gun is coming back to the POA, the rear site will align with the front site almost automatically. With the proper grip and technique, the gun will return to almost exactly the same place every time. If your front site is getting higher after every shot, then it's not returning to POA after every shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'm not sure it ever was there from the first shot after the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'm not sure it ever was there from the first shot after the draw.Sounds like the way you grip it makes it point high (is it a Glock?). If all else fails find a pistol with a grip that points naturally for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 It's a xdm 5.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Doesn't the Xdm come with different backstraps? If so, try the different ones out and see if there is any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yep they do and I tried all three untill I found the one that felt the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yep they do and I tried all three until the one that felt the best. Unfortunately finding one that "felt the best" is somewhat like buying a tennis shoe for hiking in the Himalaya's...While having a comfortable grip that fits your hand is very good, it might not be the profile that you can shoot the best. I suggest trying each of the back straps again, each with 100 rounds...see if any of them has the gun return to POA for you...You might be suprised at the results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ok I'll give it a try you might be on to somthing. It does seem that it returns to the same place just high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Work 'extension to fire' in your dry fire practice. Maybe a wider rear notch to give you a little more daylight to find your preferred sight alignment faster/consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Which back strap do you have installed? I found the #1 back strap was the best shooting for me even though I liked the feel of the #3. I tended to have the problem you are describing until I put the #1 in. Edited December 7, 2014 by ToddKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 If I make sure the pin is in the notch it takes forever to make my shots. Any drill or training ideas? Before you fire the shot, the pin has to be in the notch, for accuracy. It's just part of the process to accurate shooting. You wouldn't pull the trigger if the pin is not on the target - and it takes a little longer to put the pin on the target - but you recognize that you have to have the pin on the target - so you take the time to do it. Same thing with the pin being in the notch - has to be there - take the time and see how fast you are. Better to hit with one shot that fire 2+ shots at the same target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 I do have the size 3 in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 well, if you're not aware of your sight alignment, I guess I would recommend practicing more on being aware of your sight alignment and less on just trying to go fast. I had the same problem last year. At first, it will seem like it takes forever to verify your sight alignment, but if you focus on it, it should become more natural and subconscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ok I will. It just seems like I'm not paying attention to the back sight while shooting fast. Focus = shooting fast. Change focus to see a proper sight picture, not matter what. happy happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ok I will. It just seems like I'm not paying attention to the back sight while shooting fast. Focus = shooting fast. Change focus to see a proper sight picture, not matter what. That is huge, especially the "no matter what." So huge, it's all there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 There may be some people who can run Steel Challenge just watching their front sight. But, the rest of us 'mere mortals' need to see a clear, focused sight picture for most stages. Smoke & Hope... you can get by with the front sight... until you reach the stop plate. Then, front & rear alignment is nice! Guns with interchangeable back straps often 'feel best' with the bigger backstrap. The scores are often best with the smallest backstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well guys I think you're on to somthing with the back strap reccomendation. With it in when I draw on the first plate I no longer have to make any adjustments like before. Time will tell but it seems more comfortable right now. Thanks!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well guys I think you're on to somthing with the back strap reccomendation. With it in when I draw on the first plate I no longer have to make any adjustments like before. Time will tell but it seems more comfortable right now. Thanks!!!!! You're welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhittin Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Awesome thread! Been struggling with this too. Thanks for the advice, especially the focus=fast part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwagner24 Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 One of the things it takes a long time to convince yourself of is if you slow down just enough to always hit each plate with one shot your overall time will be much quicker. It feels like you are going slow as hell but the timer dosent lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raa29642 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) I focus on front sight but do not lose sight of the rear sight. I work on my draw and presentation to give me time to acquire the sight as quick as possible. I hear what your are saying though. Shooting plates beyonf 10 yards can start to be problematic as your sight picture can completely cover an 8" plate at distance. As I train more, I find palces where I can speed up so that the times I need to slow down a little, it doesn't hurt me too much. I try and be real quick to get hand on gun and slow down just a bit to establish a good weak hand grip-, then speed up a little bit during presentation, take up the trigger so that when I am fully extended, I am ready to break the shoot. Agree with comments about, "slow IS fast" as priority 1 is to hit target (either 0 or 1) and priority 2 is to do so as fast as possible. without violating priority 1. :-) Edited December 24, 2014 by raa29642 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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