teros135 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Frame weights have been legal in limited for a year and a half. Flashlights are illegal in limited. All Amidon did was clarify that as long as the weapon light is no longer capable of emitting light, it can be used as a frame weight without violating the flashlight rule. This seems like common sense, why all the outrage? All the chest-thumping and belly-bucking aside (this is benos.com, after all ), it's DNOI's interpretation that matters. it's not capable of emitting light (whether you call it a flashlight, a kumquat, or a kangaroo), and that seems to be the defining aspect of the device. Now, let's argue/discuss what the meaning of "is" is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBets Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 And I refer everyone to the...is 3 gun pulling away uspsa shooters thread!! This whole discussion makes me LOL...at the risk of sounding like a 14 year old girl!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So this is gonna be thread drift and i apologize (but not really), but can you have a light and shoot in limited division at night matches? I have searched Benos and Google both, but can't find any kind of definitive answer. There is a night match coming up locally in a couple months and I wanted to shoot my Limited gun, but don't know if it is gonna bump me to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 So this is gonna be thread drift and i apologize (but not really), but can you have a light and shoot in limited division at night matches? I have searched Benos and Google both, but can't find any kind of definitive answer. There is a night match coming up locally in a couple months and I wanted to shoot my Limited gun, but don't know if it is gonna bump me to open. Direct your question to the MD - he'll fill you in on the rules for that match. Let me know if you need help contacting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 That in itself kinda answers the question for me, thanks. I was more wondering if there was an official (or even pseudo-official) division rule list for night matches. I shot the rifle match last year and was in open, since I had a gun light (with an otherwise Limited/tac ops legal gun). So I was just wondering if it was kinda the same deal. I will shoot him a text and see what he says. I am planning on shooting my limited gun regardless, so it doesn't really make much of a difference i suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 As someone who has experimented with all kinds of things to add to a pistol looking for an advantage this makes no sense to me. It would be easy to design a weight that IMO, would be more effective as a frame weight than a gutted flashlight filled with lead or whatever. That leaves the possibility that the look of the add on device is important. Could it be that since the tactical guys carry flashlights on their pistols as a general policy, a flashlight hanging off a Glock just looks like another tactical Glock to the average viewer. That same average viewer might come away with an entirely different opinion if say the Glock appears to need some kind of special fancy custom add on weight to be competitive with the other brands. Or I could be entirely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Givo08 Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 As someone who has experimented with all kinds of things to add to a pistol looking for an advantage this makes no sense to me. It would be easy to design a weight that IMO, would be more effective as a frame weight than a gutted flashlight filled with lead or whatever. That leaves the possibility that the look of the add on device is important. Could it be that since the tactical guys carry flashlights on their pistols as a general policy, a flashlight hanging off a Glock just looks like another tactical Glock to the average viewer. That same average viewer might come away with an entirely different opinion if say the Glock appears to need some kind of special fancy custom add on weight to be competitive with the other brands. Or I could be entirely wrong. The main reason I would consider this is not for the look, but because the light companies have figured out how to make a robust mounting system to the frame rails. I've seen a few sjc frame weights fly down range under recoil and there are several threads on this forum discussing how to modify the sjc mounting system to get it to stay on. The other advantage a standard light body has is that several of the holster makers like blade tech, safariland, comptac, etc have off the shelf options for most guns with popular light configurations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 That in itself kinda answers the question for me, thanks. I was more wondering if there was an official (or even pseudo-official) division rule list for night matches.In the few night matches I've shot.. there's only been 'Open' division.. regardless of your equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 That in itself kinda answers the question for me, thanks. I was more wondering if there was an official (or even pseudo-official) division rule list for night matches.In the few night matches I've shot.. there's only been 'Open' division.. regardless of your equipmentYea I kinda figured that might be the case, at the night rifle match that I shot I think they only had Limited (no light) and open (lasers, lights, anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon11 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Will the weapon light on the gun also be legal for limited division in steel challenge, since its now legal for USPSA limited division? Didn't know if it was technically OK for one, if would still be OK for the other. Edited November 2, 2014 by Dragon11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Glue, nail, or screw anything you want to it... (all together now)... it's still a Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I'm looking at shooting some Limited this year. Rather than spending $300 on buying an SJC Frame Weight and a race holster, I have this: Batteries, bulb, wiring, and switch are removed. Just checking in to see if there is still any controversy or will Sarge want to bump me to Open when I show up at his Club. Edited March 9, 2015 by AJE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 BWahaha. There is no longer any controversy but I will WANT to bump you to open even though i can't. Looks like a flashlight to me though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Lol... good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Sarge, that was a pretty good imitation of Dr. Evil! (Either that, or an ostrich in great pain while passing a kidney stone...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 BWahaha. There is no longer any controversy but I will WANT to bump you to open even though i can't. Looks like a flashlight to me though..... Somehow I can picture a long drawn out inspection at the safety area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I went out to start my car and go to town only to find out the battery is dead. Bummer, I don't own a car now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I went out to start my car and go to town only to find out the battery is dead. Bummer, I don't own a car now. The rest of the parts are still there, so you're okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I went out to start my car and go to town only to find out the battery is dead. Bummer, I don't own a car now. The rest of the parts are still there, so you're okay. I wish that was so, obviously you haven't seen my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 AJE, how do you like it? Make a significant difference in recoil? How much does it weigh? What holster are you using for it and why'd you decide on that light model to use for the frame weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It weighs about six ounces. I used that light because I had it laying around and never used it. I ordered a Safariland holster... it's like the 5188 I use now except it's fitted for the he light but I don't know the number off the top of my head. I've only put a couple of mags through my .40 with it but it makes a noticeable difference reducing the movement on the front sight during recoil. I'm excited to start practicing with it once I get my holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Thanks for the info. I'm very interested in trying this, need to find a cheap, beat up, old light to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why do you guys keep calling them lights? Oh wait, it's because they are lights.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 No, it's an ex-light, or "once was a light". Give it up, guys. It's been decided, and until it's rescinded it's good to go. Sounds like a lot of work, though. Why not just buy the weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 No, it's an ex-light, or "once was a light". Give it up, guys. It's been decided, and until it's rescinded it's good to go. Sounds like a lot of work, though. Why not just buy the weight? because you can just order a holster that fits a "once was a light" frame weight. I would actually like to see the rule changes to allow lights in limited as long as they are not turned on. then there is no controversy and you wouldn't need to modify anything. there is no advantage to be gained over anything that is all ready allowed so it seams like a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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