Akkid17 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Saw this on their website and I am trying to figure out the purpose of it. I see that it's to lengthen the slide action of the gun but I don't get out that's supposed to benefit the shooter. Anyone out there in the know on this? I'm curious in regards to a 9mm (mainly minor/rarely major ammo) open gun of that make a difference. Thanks, Ben Edited March 24, 2014 by Akkid17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsa Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 It increases the distance the slide travels therefore spreading the recoil out over a longer distance. It is supposed to reduce the felt recoil. I have no personal experience with it but that is what I was told by Shay when I asked about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkid17 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Is it an advantage to a 9 minor open gun or mainly just for major PF guns open or otherwise? Saw a post about it for limited guns but not much for open guns. The reason I ask is that I'm wanting to get a gun built in the near future and since I mainly shoot 3-gun and steel it will rarely see major PF ammunition. Thanks, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mturnbull333 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I have one in 38 SC and it works well, kinda a pain in the ass messing with springs but it does help recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwf008 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I can't speak for open guns but I had Shay rebuild my Limited gun and the "stroking" made a big difference for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I shot a 9 major open gun that was stroked. It was significantly better. Not sure if it would make a difference in minor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 As I understand it, it's kinda like tuning AR gas. A significant portion of the recoil you feel is the slide bottoming out at the end of its travel, just like the buffer bottoming out in an AR buffer tube. The longer stroke allows time for the magazine to advance a cartridge up while your spring selection lets you prevent the slide from banging hard at the end of its travel. Ideally, the slide reverses direction just shy of bottoming out. To accomplish that with standard slide stroke, you would have to use a very stiff recoil spring. This increases slide velocity to the point that the magazine can't feed fast enough, and also prevents the slide stop from functioning. In an AR, you can just turn down the gas supply until your buffer quits bottoming out. However, it overshoots the bolt stop by 3/8 inch so it still has time to engage the bolt even if it doesn't go all he way back, and turning gas down SLOWS the cycling, preventing feed issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkid17 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 That makes sense, I suppose with being a small percentage of the total cost it would be worthwhile to go ahead and make the gun as well tuned and nice as possible if I'm going to be putting that much into it already. Thanks for the input, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmg Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Akkid, a friend of mine had Shay put it on his and he said it made a significant difference in felt recoil. Shay is building mine now and i'm having it put on mine. For the cost, well worth it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Hello Can you post pic of the different slide's wit short stroked and not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcc7x7 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Don't variable weight recoil springs sort of do the same thing? Especially in an Open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkid17 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 It'd be nice to have the money to get two identical guns one with the extended stroke and one without to actually get a real comparison to see how much difference there is and at what PF it is the most dramatic. I'd think that the major PF ammo allow you to make better use of the extended slide play since you would still have a decent spring in the gun to keep it moving quick enough to not have it feel like it's rolling in your hand. Although I doubt many, if any, would be able to tell. It'd be cool if akai would update their site with some newer pics of guns like this one I found and maybe a couple of slides pulled all the way back of stroked and non-stroked guns to show a difference. It may not actually be that much of a benefit in seeing how it works but I know it would satiate my curiosity. And yeah, that's a stupid sick gun, and I want it real bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srv656s Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I should be getting my stroked Akai gun soon. I'll pull the slide back compared to my buddy's Edge and take a pic when I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerassassin22 Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) NEVER MIND. Edited March 31, 2014 by deerassassin22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I assume all this boils down to just milling off a little of slide's reverse plug tunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLAZS Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I think its how he cuts the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomore606 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Its the slide thats cut. I own two stroked Akai 40s (one is my wife's) and i let people shoot it all the time and they love it. It just shooters flatter and softer. Edited July 15, 2014 by nomore606 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Its the slide thats cut. I own two stroked Akai 40s (one is my wife's) and i let people shoot it all the time and they love it. It just shooters flatter and softer. Figured as much. I'd have to grab a gun to look at...but I think a little bit of the reverse plug tunnel gets milled off and the ends of the rails (on the slide) are milled so they don't bottom out on the frame rails. The inside of the tunnel may also get cut to accommodate the shoulder on the reverse plug..or maybe the reverse plug is also modified? Can you tell how much of the reverse plug tunnel got cut back? Of course, we could just ask Shay and see if he'll share his secrets. D Edited July 15, 2014 by ExtremeShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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