rtr Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Shooting a classifier last night, has 2 strings of 6 rounds each. Production shooter shoots all 12 rounds without reloading a magazine between strings. No competitive advantage gained, so what is the call or non call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splitime Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Isn't that an automatic bump to Limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Welcome to open minor, you don't even need to use the bullets to be breaking the rules. all equipment rules violations bump you to open never to limited. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Advantage or not that is a bump to Open for sure 6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, otherwise the competitor will shoot the match for no score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Welcome to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohn Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... Uh, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Shooter should be moved to Open for sure. Abide by the rules or you are not shooting a USPSA match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 There was a thread recently about some IDPA clubs doing this at their matches to speed things along. But that was IDPA. Sorry but there is no reason to start bending or breaking rues just to speed things up. Not in USPSA anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Open. If there's two strings, there's plenty of time to change mags while making ready for the next string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 APP D4.9 Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, maximum 10 rounds loaded in any magazine after the start signal.When the buzzer goes off, no mag can have more than 10 rounds or off to open. You can use an 11 round mag at Make Ready. You can only insert a 10 round mag for an unloaded start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 lol. it's so easy to just switch mags, there aren't really any significant timesavings, and (as you can see), panties get easily wadded by things that violate the letter of the rule while keeping entirely to the spirit of the rule. besides, I practice my draws and dryfire maneuvers with 10 rds in the magazine. it would throw me off to 12 or 6 in, so i must reload between strings for maximum competive performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchies95 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Shooting a classifier last night, has 2 strings of 6 rounds each. Production shooter shoots all 12 rounds without reloading a magazine between strings. No competitive advantage gained, so what is the call or non call? Open for sure. There is a competitive advantage gained. The extra couple of rounds results in a slightly heavier pistol.While it may not be enough to actually make a difference, but a heavier pistol has less percieved recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohn Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Hmmmmmm........Since the discussion is concerning an IDPA classifier and according to the IDPA Rule Book, the maximum number of rounds a stage can have is 18, I do not understand how a 32 round field course enters into the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Hmmmmmm........Since the discussion is concerning an IDPA classifier and according to the IDPA Rule Book, the maximum number of rounds a stage can have is 18, I do not understand how a 32 round field course enters into the discussion. Actually, since this is the USPSA/IPSC Rules subforum and we're talking about Production Division.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Hmmmmmm........Since the discussion is concerning an IDPA classifier and according to the IDPA Rule Book, the maximum number of rounds a stage can have is 18, I do not understand how a 32 round field course enters into the discussion. hmm.... OP said Production. Is Production a Division in IDPA? And this thread is in USPSA Rules, Not the IDPA Rules section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Play by the rules kids. I know your momma has told you that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Hmmmmmm........Since the discussion is concerning an IDPA classifier and according to the IDPA Rule Book, the maximum number of rounds a stage can have is 18, I do not understand how a 32 round field course enters into the discussion. Where did you come up with any mention of IDPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Where did you come up with any mention of IDPA? Post #10- mentioned a differnt discussion on IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 What is the key word here? Classifier? Some clubs want to speed up the process and do away with unnecessary time being spent on loading mags while off the clock. Since not competitive advantage is gained, it is strictly a time saving move. SO.......................... If the shooter needs to load mags between strings, they probably don't have enough mags to finish a 32 round field course. Hmmmmmm........Since the discussion is concerning an IDPA classifier and according to the IDPA Rule Book, the maximum number of rounds a stage can have is 18, I do not understand how a 32 round field course enters into the discussion. What all those other guys said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hefta Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Without any doubt at all the shooter would be bumped to Open... If you are playing by the rules, which you should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two shoes Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Open. If there's two strings, there's plenty of time to change mags while making ready for the next string. ^^^ This^^^ How long does a reload take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There was a thread recently about some IDPA clubs doing this at their matches to speed things along. But that was IDPA. Sorry but there is no reason to start bending or breaking rues just to speed things up. Not in USPSA anyway. That's just for the classifier only in IDPA and it's to speed it up because some people don't have a lot of extra mags (unlike some of us ). But it's the only time it's allowed in IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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