Steve Anderson Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Most local matches have one guy that wins everything, every time. You know who you are. You could zero a stage (or 2) and win the match. You practice more than anyone and your self-image (locally) is that of Tom Cruise ridin' a Ninja on his way to diddle the hottie. But maybe you struggle at regionals, maybe you're just out of the top 16 at Nationals. (I think I just wrote my autobiography, or maybe even inscribed my own tombstone) But here's what I think you should do: Shoot major and declare minor. Obviously this applies to those divisions where you need to make major... You'll need to shoot points to win. Just like at regionals or nationals. Would that rattle your cage a little? Who's got the goods to try it? I wanna hear about it. Production guys could either add 10% to their times or have the RO score D's as mikes. A ballsy production hotshot could declare Limited 10, Limited, or Open! Let's apply some pressure. Edited September 8, 2011 by Steve Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Taliani Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I'd be game for trying to declare major but shoot minor. It's time us mediocre shooters have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLAZS Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Steve, you story sounds like mine. I will do it at the next club shoot in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSteel Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Randy, I thought you were shooting minor??? Edited September 8, 2011 by NoSteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Mediocre shooters could analyze their weaknesses and design drills to make them strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Unfortunately/fortunately I have chatted with Steve before in relation to an article I was writing. I have shot minor quite a few times in local matches. Not too long ago I was lucky to have 50% A shots, now that has improved significantly. At the 50 yard standards at WSSSC a couple years ago I was ~14th. Not too shabby for a B senior shooter. There is a guy named Lizard in Co. I think he won C production Nationals by shooting all As. Accuracy counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) What worked best for me to earn maximum points while shooting at competition speed was to associate a significant monetary penalty with getting poor hits. I would "Bill" myself for poor hits during a match. 1 Miss = $15, 1 No Shoot = $10, 1 D = $5. I would tally up my misses, no shoots, and D's for every match and put the money aside to fund non-shooting family activities. After creating a tangible penalty for shooting with poor accuracy my on target hit quality got WAY better. It should not take too many $100+ penalty club matches to get the point across that you need to start hitting what you are aiming at Everyone learns differently though. I am "Penalty" motivated. If there isn't a significant enough penalty associated with doing something wrong then I don't care about doing it right. Edited September 8, 2011 by CHA-LEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) What worked best for me to earn maximum points while shooting at competition speed was to associate a significant monetary penalty with getting poor hits. I would "Bill" myself for poor hits during a match. 1 Miss = $15, 1 No Shoot = $10, 1 D = $5. I would tally up my misses, no shoots, and D's for every match and put the money aside to fund non-shooting family activities. After creating a tangible penalty for shooting with poor accuracy my on target hit quality got WAY better. It should not take too many $100+ penalty club matches to get the point across that you need to start hitting what you are aiming at Everyone learns differently though. I am "Penalty" motivated. If there isn't a significant enough penalty associated with doing something wrong then I don't care about doing it right. Actually that sounds like a win-win scenario... You shoot well OR you have lots of money for family! I like these idea.... I need to work something out with my friends... maybe create a pool of money for bad hits at matches.... not sure what we'd do with the money though. EDIT: I'm certainly not the local hot dog.. but I like the idea of shooting Limited minor... I've done it before. Edited September 8, 2011 by lugnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I like the idea. I am not winning my local matches but I still consider myself a hot dog . Some bad habits have creeped in recently and I like this idea, or Chalee's idea. Another thought is to have a "Mike Pool"...or even a Mike & D pool between you and your friends. For each Mike or D you have to put a dollar (or $5 or whatever) into the pot. Most accurate guy at the end of the day takes the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Flexmoney and a few other locals used to do that ...... except we called it the "Alpha Pool". Most Alphas at the end of the day won the pot. Stupid Revo shooters kept winning it though, so we stopped ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Steve, I'd be willing to shoot minor, if you were willing to shoot open! Come on, ya chicken???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I always tried to beat the open shooters while I was shooting Limited or Limited 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Been there ..... done that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) I just challenged my friends- $1 for each Mike, NS or Delta. Shooter with the most As wins it all! Love this stuff! The best part about this challenge is a B shooter can have the same chance as an A or Master level shooter as well. HFs and Time aren't in this equation. Edited September 8, 2011 by lugnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JQ- Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Any hot dogs try "heads" only for matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 "Heads only" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Oh, you mean"head shots" only? How about strong hand only? Or shooting Open 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Slight thread drift here, but a little game me and some of the other local hot dogs like to play is called "Guess Your Time". The rules are simple ... Guess your time before you shoot a stage, and the one who comes closest to their actual time, wins, and gets a free beer bought by the others who agreed to play. It might not improve your accuracy, but it gets you thinking about your draw time, reloads, splits, trans. and general shooting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I just challenged my friends- $1 for each Mike, NS or Delta. Shooter with the most As wins it all! Love this stuff! The best part about this challenge is a B shooter can have the same chance as an A or Master level shooter as well. HFs and Time aren't in this equation. I've played this game once. My scope mount came loose and I had to hit an ATM after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I just challenged my friends- $1 for each Mike, NS or Delta. Shooter with the most As wins it all! Love this stuff! The best part about this challenge is a B shooter can have the same chance as an A or Master level shooter as well. HFs and Time aren't in this equation. I've played this game once. My scope mount came loose and I had to hit an ATM after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I just challenged my friends- $1 for each Mike, NS or Delta. Shooter with the most As wins it all! Love this stuff! The best part about this challenge is a B shooter can have the same chance as an A or Master level shooter as well. HFs and Time aren't in this equation. I've played this game once. My scope mount came loose and I had to hit an ATM after the match. LOL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 I really would like a few guys to try this and report back, so let's hear from the guys who are gonna do it. Keen, the open gun is on its way to Canyon Creek as we speak. It'll have a new slide and maybe even a new recoil spring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I found my self not able to punch the speed ticket and always making too many As in events, but me speed was just slow on splits. So I went the other way on score and decided to shoot more C hits. It kinda backfired on me , I watched the gun move from the A to the C as the shot broke = thin I was making slow C hits. I herd that Women say that speed is not always a virtue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I really would like a few guys to try this and report back, so let's hear from the guys who are gonna do it. Well...let's see. - You and I originated the "Alpha-bet". - I've shot matches with my G26, carry gun...out of my carry holster (Glock Sports holster with lots of retention). - I've shot Minor in Major divisions. - I've shot my Production gun in Limited (not sure that counts ). - I've shot Glocks without sights. - I've shot 1911's without sights. - I've shot a mix-match of assorted ammo. - I shot a Steel match this year (with others) with my J-frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Ancient history Kyle ..... We need current events! I'm shooting open for the foreseeable future, and I'll be shooting a local match this sunday, so how about I play the minor/major game, then I'll report back next monday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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