calvary45 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 As soon as my index finger of my support hand touches the trigger gaurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I was not taught what many think to be proper, and for years I took the safety off as I placed my firing hand on the pistol prior to draw. Then, when it was mentioned to me a couple of years back, I switched to the push out. Now when I shoot my Glock, there's nothing really there, and I just love it. When I shoot my TS, then it's on the push out once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leozinho Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I have seen many LEOs jam their magazine into the gun while the gun is holstered. I do not believe this is safe either. I think this comes from 'admin' reloads and topping off the gun while at the academy. At the crawl stage, often you aren't allowed to handle your weapon unless given the command from the booth, so this is taught to let students reload without handling the gun. (Keep in mind most are shooting Glocks or Sigs, or something similar. I don't know of any academies that have recruits shooting 1911s.) Why do you consider this unsafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsailor Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 1911 safety off as rotated up to horizontal after dray ready for a "Kill Bill" drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dab Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Once the pistol is pointed downrange. That was from my military training in case I had to engage a target at very close quarters before pressing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak hill Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Ditto for me, it comes off just as the muzzle goes forward and I pick up my support hand as the gun is pushed forward from my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98006 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I have no formal training other than shooting IDPA. I usually don't put my trigger finger on the trigger till my arms are fully extended and on target. i have been told that as soon as one starts" punching out", that is the time the trigger finger starts taking up the slack and by the time the arms are fully extended, you should fire. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildot1 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Partially As soon as I have established my grip my finger gets on the trigger. Start prepping the trigger as gun is pushing out towards target. The difference I have is I never "fully extend" my arms. When my arms are fully extended I have lost the recoil absorbing cushion. I am not suppose to fire until I have the "correct sight" picture, but sometimes I get a little sloppy there. Mildot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sliv2 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Partially As soon as I have established my grip my finger gets on the trigger. Start prepping the trigger as gun is pushing out towards target. The difference I have is I never "fully extend" my arms. When my arms are fully extended I have lost the recoil absorbing cushion. I am not suppose to fire until I have the "correct sight" picture, but sometimes I get a little sloppy there. Mildot That is something I have to work on. My arms are usually fully extended, I've heard many times to "pull back" a little bit, and that's how my arms are supposed to be. To the OP, my finger goes inside the trigger guard while I am pushing the gun forward towards the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftridge Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Partially As soon as I have established my grip my finger gets on the trigger. Start prepping the trigger as gun is pushing out towards target. The difference I have is I never "fully extend" my arms. When my arms are fully extended I have lost the recoil absorbing cushion. I am not suppose to fire until I have the "correct sight" picture, but sometimes I get a little sloppy there. Mildot I know exactly what you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Not until I am aimed at the target. With open that is sooner than with other guns. Certainly before I am fully extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I'll agree with a few of the earlier posts and say don't really get caught up in one way and don't take this instructor's version for gold. Find your own style and stick with it. I take the safety off in the holster. I carry a gun everyday in a holster with a thumb break retention device. When I made the switch to a 1911 for competition it made since to treat the safety as the thumb break to a degree. It keeps my overall draw stroke similar. This along with my training has worked for me. If you are a casual shooter who doesn't really train a lot it may be safer for you to disengage the safety a little later. When you think of glock, some m&p, some sigs and a couple other guns they don't have safeties to disengage. It comes down to training and when you teach your finger to go onto the trigger. I train to place my finger on the trigger in about the last 6 inches of my draw when i can already see my sights aligned in my visual field. it is really hard to get a gun to fire without pressing the trigger. I agree with a lot of this post and i don't really think there is one way to teach this. You need to try both ways and figure out which one is safe for you and go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Y Should go back to that instructor and ask if he misspoke about the takeing the safty off or did you just mis hear what he said. yes, that needs corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Somewhere around here (although this is a picture of me with my M&P in IDPA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalebg Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 As soon as I clear the holster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dravz Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 As I was taught, "not till the gun is on target." But I don't wait till full extension, my trigger finger goes in as I'm pushing the gun out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Merge Threads? http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=124485&st=0&p=1406567&hl=safety&fromsearch=1entry1406567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Merge Threads? http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=124485&st=0&p=1406567&hl=safety&fromsearch=1entry1406567 Good idea Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Merged threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'll agree with a few of the earlier posts and say don't really get caught up in one way and don't take this instructor's version for gold. Find your own style and stick with it. I take the safety off in the holster. I carry a gun everyday in a holster with a thumb break retention device. When I made the switch to a 1911 for competition it made since to treat the safety as the thumb break to a degree. It keeps my overall draw stroke similar. This along with my training has worked for me. If you are a casual shooter who doesn't really train a lot it may be safer for you to disengage the safety a little later. When you think of glock, some m&p, some sigs and a couple other guns they don't have safeties to disengage. It comes down to training and when you teach your finger to go onto the trigger. I train to place my finger on the trigger in about the last 6 inches of my draw when i can already see my sights aligned in my visual field. it is really hard to get a gun to fire without pressing the trigger. I agree with a lot of this post and i don't really think there is one way to teach this. You need to try both ways and figure out which one is safe for you and go with that. Taking the safety off in the holster = DQ at a USPSA match if the RO is paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) At the point that a ND can be considered a bad shot and not a ND. (Pretty much where a bullet will strike the ground underneath the target, almost at full extension) Edited April 26, 2011 by DyNo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocknLoad Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I am still pretty green, but I take the safety off with my support hand as I start to extend toward the target. At our local club, taking off the safety in the holster would get you a DQ, or for a new person, a very stern talking to about safety at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I am still pretty green, but I take the safety off with my support hand as I start to extend toward the target. At our local club, taking off the safety in the holster would get you a DQ, or for a new person, a very stern talking to about safety at the very least. If it's a USPSA match, it's a DQ, period. Without regard to which club it is or how new the shooter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocknLoad Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I am still pretty green, but I take the safety off with my support hand as I start to extend toward the target. At our local club, taking off the safety in the holster would get you a DQ, or for a new person, a very stern talking to about safety at the very least. If it's a USPSA match, it's a DQ, period. Without regard to which club it is or how new the shooter is. Very true. But I have seen a few ROs in the last couple of years that would give a newbee a stern talking to on a first offense on a non sanctioned club match night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postal Bob Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Don't confuse disengaging the safety, with placing you finger on the trigger. When I shoot my 1911, the safety is naturally coming off as I'm drawing the gun from the holster up to eye level. This happens naturally because when gripping the gun, my trigger finger is extended away from gun as it should be, and more pressure is put on grip with my thumb. This naturally takes the safety off immediately. But like I said, my trigger finger is nowhere near the trigger until the gun is pointing foward towards the target. That is why the instructor can advocate the early release of the safety, because your finger should never be on the trigger until ready to fire. Edited April 27, 2011 by Postal Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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