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I suspect everyone knew that all humans can make mistakes. Else, after you get rid of pcc so getting all shots it becomes a realistic possibility & change the rules so that you can use a recording means to override an r.o. and change the rules so you can dissect the time splits in an agreed to way to determine when a reload occurred, and do something about the r.o. who hits reset out of habit after the time is recorded, then getting all shots could be useful once in a blue moon I suppose.

If you are moving through stages with a squad at a club match it can be hard to keep track of shots. If you are working a lot of shooters through the same stage at a higher level match then most of us will be counting shots when there is a likely chance of some shooters forgetting targets, and things like a 12th round can be very obvious. Folks that throw a lot of make up shots make things more interesting but you learn to deal with that. Regardless, the shooter has to accept the range officials call for all penalties unless there is a dispute that a higher level official might be able to weigh in on. In practice most r.o.'s operate on the principle of do not make the call unless you are sure but since we are all only human it is likely that mistakes are sometimes made.

If you shoot minor you will get screwed on steel poppers occasionally. The wind will hold them up, they will be crazy slow to fall inconsistently, the angles will vary as they move on a muddy surface, some of them will vary shooter to shooter as they have play and twist between the stand & the shaft at their base & the rod connecting the two. I do not want to be the guy at the match with the 126 pf gun who has to worry so much about such things.

Hope folks don't take a year before they start selling them used this time. I hate waiting these things out. Usually weaken when the price changes from rare teaser to ok we have some we want to sell.

And that works well for the majority of pcc guns, although if you have your timer bagged because it is raining I do not know if it will work. It is the guy shooting the very light load out of the fairly long barreled gun that is the issue.

Me either, might find a good deal on a used large frame .

Saw the IFG post on Facebook too. Note said they also had some stock 1's in and another model I don't remember. Did not say whether they had only a very small sprinkling or more of a big mongo butt load. Anyone seen the guns at dealers yet? Internet or otherwise.

A practical necessity with mouse fart pcc guns. There were 3 pcc's on my squad last weekend and only one quiet enough that it was a problem, so it can be fixed. The rules guys need to fix this, establish some minimum power factor or require popple holes or whatever, r.o.s need to get back to being focused on safety instead of worried about getting inside some shooters underwear at the end of the stage or the last shot before a malfunction.

Troy could clarify, looks to me like just unfortunate wording. I think the intent is once it is scored it is scored regardless of whether you saw it before somebody pasted it.

Tanfo stock 3 in 10mm with a lightweight guide rod is supposed to come in at 42.6 ounces, 40 should be ok also, 9mm is too heavy for IDPA. If I didn't already have a stock 2 in 40 (not IDPA legal) I would buy a stock 3 in 40 (probably IDPA legal but I would make sure on weight and dimensions first). Light loaded 40 is great for shooting IDPA or limited minor or production minor, but I would probably shoot limited major with it just for the scoring advantage. Realistically, no matter what you do, shooting is not a cheap sport.

If you want purdee get a 1911, else, cool!

That would explain it. For what it is worth, it is nice to know when you are reading information from a vendor, I think the vendors on this forum do a great job of contributing and providing honest feedback and insightful explanations, but it is still nice to know if the person posting has skin in the game.

Maybe. How would you know?

Proofing stages & placing barrels, moving targets, changing a fast easy target to a tricky head shot and similar tricks to eliminate r.o. traps or shooter trip hazards is actually kind of fun and usually easy. Seems like something that that could be worked out to everyone's liking.

Hmm, if the person with the drone gets a video of somebody heeding the call of nature at a match when they think they are being discreet I guess they can make that public if they want to?

A very quick calculation makes me think the weight difference is going to be around 2.1 ounces (heavier) for the 9mm. Not exact but should be in the right neighborhood. A 40 stock 3 shooting 160 grains at around 135 power factor could be a really fun IDPA gun, assuming it fits in the box and their scale agrees with the o.p.'s scale.

Skinny mags make me crazy, but you are probably right & it could be fixed over time.

Without doing a long haired calculation, not enough to be a deciding factor. Both are priced fair, you will use just a smidge less TG to get the same power factor. I agree with all of the above, but like everything I think it depends on the details. For my use (9mm 130 pf in Tanfo stock 2) , melting is not an issue, temperature is not an issue, pressure is not an issue and the recoil is a personal preference thing sort of like comparing shooting a 135 to a 147. For revolver where I need to push a bit harder I think I would choose SP, else I will go back to TG I think, just prefer the way it feels. Unscientific clean burning test - just had a ftf after about 600 rounds of SP, pretty much the same as I got with TG, will stay with the same cleaning schedule (300 rounds or when the mood strikes me) for either.

SNS 147 coated, 3.0 TG versus 3.2 SP , Tanfoglio stock 2 & 3. Have run maybe 20-30 k ish rounds with titegroup & 2k ish rounds with SP. SP is probably cleaner but it really does not make any difference as I lube the top end before either gets dirty enough to cause a problem & wipe things down while I'm at it. Possibly with SP I will not need to clean around the extractor every 5K rounds or so? Unknown yet. Smoke, no issues for me either way. Metering, great versus great. Accuracy, do not have a ransom rest, do not see that one is better than the other within the limits of my group shooting ability. Recoil, can not see any difference on the timer, think I prefer TG by feel but that is likely because I have shot so many more of them. Conclusion, for me & for my particular load recipe and gun either one seems fine. Not sure which one I will buy when I next run low on powder.

In general no. Too much money for permits and then there are state line considerations and all that stuff. Do have a couple friends shooting short barreled rifles in pcc, loud enough & very easy to maneuver in the tight spots.

Sounds good, then it starts raining & you have to bag the timers and you are screwed. PCC needs to have a minimum power factor of at least 150, I hate standing in the rain hoping that the 2nd reshoot will go better than the first two attempts.

10.6.1 - Unsportsmanlike conduct?

My experience. Dawson's mag tuning kit with DVD worked great on 9's & 40, re-checked dimensions once a year after the seasons abuse or if I had reason to suspect one had been stomped on.

Italian Firearms Group Excellent work. New toys inbound in the next month or so. Stay tuned..... Saw this on a facebook feed from Patriot Defense just now, was below a picture of a stock 1 but perhaps refers to LP's also or instead of.

Goals, as far as I can see, are never defined, was hoping that there would be an explanation for why it is what it is with the classifier explanations on the first pages of the rulebook. I think the math part is easy, after you know what it is that you are trying to accomplish. We don't need a rocket surgeon so much as a common sense guy.