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I am thoroughly ignorant about tactical shotguns and have never even owned a semi auto shotgun, always either shot a pump or double barrel when hunting. Got the notion that an M2 properly set up for 3 gun would be a fun range toy and a nice upgrade for home self defense so I ordered one, went with Hawkeye Ordnance, wanted somebody with know how to get things started right. Looking for a 'things to tell newbies that I wish I had known' article if there is such a thing. Any guidance appreciated. Other thing - entirely unrelated - maybe just weird. Was at a steels match yesterday and got to wondering if any club level matches allow you to shoot steels 2 gun. You'd have to bring your own bucket but it seems like it could be a lot of fun and good practice to shotgun and then switch to pistol for the occasional longer range shot or vice versa.

In a word. WOW!!! My life should slow down in a month or so and I want to take this on as a project. Would you mind a quick reminder of what the final result was in pull weight with federal primers, I am sure it is there or here somewhere, just being lazy.

When the TS Orange guns were fairly new a friend had a similar problem. I think the lesson he learned was to gauge check himself rather than trust the extension manufacturer.

The other big component to cost is customization. For my nickel the best value is with well built factory guns (CZ TS for example) seconded by the "blue plate special" (Baer, Wilson, Triangle, etc) semi customs. Full custom is cool if you can afford it and if having something a bit unique is valuable to you.

I guess I'm the latter. Still love a V8 car and a V-twin bike, still prefer Iron sight semi autos & revolvers.

I'm skeptical that he has found a magic trick for the same Ruger action that has been around for several years and tinkered with by many revolver smiths, but sometimes discoveries happen. Will be interesting to hear about it if you get to check out his gun.

Interesting, when I was discussing my SGP with Dave (had him bob the hammer to match his) he was still trying to figure things out. Do you know what measured pull weights he is achieving?

Had a 9mm SGP and and still have a 929. The 929 has a very smooth 5.5 pound trigger (thank you BOSSHOSS), best I got to with the Ruger was a not very smooth 7.5 pound trigger. Personal opinion is that the ruger trigger design works well for 6 shot guns but is pushed to its limit with the minimal cylinder rotation of their 8 shot 9. Timing was off on my ruger after a few shots and it would hang on a couple chambers and scarred the cylinder stop grooves - ruger replaced the pawl to address the timing but didn't test the gun with moon clips & the pawl would then hang up on the brass/star/clip area (fixed with some filing of the pawl tip). I thought the tight chambers of the ruger had to be a bad idea for reloads on the clock but never got fancy on timing reloads between the two or tracking oopsie rate. For my needs (steel challenge & USPSA) I can shoot the S&W just flat out faster with better accuracy, a better shooter might be better able to deal with the ruger trigger. I wish the smith was as robust as the ruger and had the same excellent warranty support.

Odds are very good that if you need it for self defense then the battery won't be dead or the electronics malfunctioning when you pick it up in an emergency, I get that but still wouldn't want to risk my life on it.

I've attended 3 matches where somebody let a round off while drawing the gun, last year I was standing 3 feet from a shooter who fired accidentally while holstering. The new sweeping rules are scary, in my opinion.

In order not to be like USPSA they eliminated some really expensive and fun targets that many or most ranges had already purchased (Texas stars, etc). That one still irritates. The rational was that they were not realistic self defense targets, I had that explained to me at a level 2 match while standing in front of a stage featuring zombie cows with clay pigeons for brains.

We should be able to tell by head count sooner than later, although Covid sort of muddies the water. Locally we had problems with too many shooters pre covid and too few post covid, it is hard to know what baseline attendance actually is.

Hmmm. Have a couple serious CCP shooting friends that are going to cry a river, unless they can figure out a way to get 10 rounds into their very nice custom (1911 ish) guns. I quit paying IDPA dues when they outlawed my CCP gun (4" XD) by 1/8" .

I would like to think that Ruger is refining the Super GP100 and will bring it back as a phase 2. The one I had was mistimed on a couple cylinders from the factory, they fixed this (fitted new pawl) but apparently did not test the gun with moon clips after fixing the first problem and when I got the gun back the pawl would bind in the rear of the star/brass and not release, a little filing took care of the second issue. A couple more negatives, in my opinion. The cylinder chambers were very tight compared to every other 9mm I own or can remember owning, this made the gun very fussy about reloaded brass - passing a Hundo case gauge was not always good enough - some of what was plenty good for my 929 wouldn't work at all in the Ruger and I think it would hamper reliability of on the clock reloads. My last nit was that I could not get the trigger as smooth as I could for my 6 shot Ruger. I just think that they didn't do enough design work to get the trigger mechanism right for an 8 shot 9mm. I also never got the trigger weight down to below 7.5 # with federals, but can't say that someone else might not be able to. Am not anti Ruger, would love to see a Super GP100 come out of the box competition ready and possibly some issues with mine were not typical.

25% ??? I'm thinking it is headed to 250% by late spring/summer. Agree that those who have lots of disposable income will see some advantages. https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

At times like this I wish I was a pcc shooter. So much less to give up.

Yes. Not entirely limited to gas though, the rising cost of every damned thing imaginable with no end in sight is making me and the shooters I've talked to think hard about where we cut back. For what it is worth, a poll might be interesting.

A friend sells a lot of processed brass, I asked how he got it so new looking and he said he dry tumbles but adds a wee bit of Nu Finish car polish to the media. That works well for me with one caution, I tumble media only for an hour + - after adding the Nu Finish to make sure there are no wet clumps. Another friend says you never need to clean brass and he seems to get by with it.

Does seem less than brilliant. They immediately lose that portion of buyers who might be offended by porn and they possibly provide a lever for those who think we are all 'gun toting rednecks' and hate guns.

Shouldn't be growing pains, they have been firearm importers for a while, just not Tanfo's. Also, the occasion I had to deal with them involved one of the guns they had imported. For what it is worth if I was going to buy new I would ask them for details about warranty beforehand, if anyone does it would be interesting to know what accuracy they will warrant. I searched the website and found a return form but did not find any warranty details on anything they import https://www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/tanfoglio/firearms/pistol-xtreme/ .

My experience with IFG was less than promising. To me, the best advice I can give anyone, is not to buy any Tanfo that you can not either lay hands on prior to sale or buy used from a seller you trust. Nice guns, marginal quality control, good luck with any warranty issues.

Largely imagination I think, I've never seen any disdain aimed at the folks who are pulling their weight regardless of whether they are shooting only for fun and fellowship or whether they are taking things more seriously.

A volunteer sport. Without the top scoring 10%, who cares, the 90% can still have a great time. Without the workers, some few of which might come from the pool of very serious shooters, it is time to find a new hobby.

China, are you listening?