All that is nice, but how does it shoot? Cycle? Recoil? How's the dot movement?
These are why I use HS6, AA7, 3n38, etc. (depending on the gun). Performance beats convenience. And all of these can be loaded just fine (including 3n38 in 9 major).
By watching the timer (glancing at it) as the last shots are fired, to see that they're registered and to take note if the time. Then you put it behind your back to make sure subsequent actions don't activate it again, like ejecting the last round or brushing up against the shooter, etc.
ROing is a big job, focused on safety, fairness, efficiency. It's not the ROs primary job to "educate", especially where people who come in not knowing the basic rules. Education is a courtesy, not required. Come unprepared, you might go home, read up, and try again.
If you can reload with a 170, you can reload with a 155, so why use lower-capacity mags? What's the benefit?
If you can't reload with a 170, why shoot Open?
Do you only carry two mags? Never had a mag fail, or a bad reload, or a failed stage plan? If your only 170 fails, are you going to switch to smaller mags?
I believe they're sized for SVI, but STI grips can be filed to accommodate them.
I have 2, in PT EVO grips, and may buy a third. I like the flat trigger pad profile and the adjustability for length of pull (.015 per rotation of the trigger pad). For me the SVI short flat is too short and the medium flat is too long. The Geppert medium flat puts me in the middle. It may take a tad of filing to get it just right.
Yes, cheap is alway good. Cheap may even be best.
You know, it's probably because of cheap that some folks think Open guns just don't run well. Cheap mags, cheap ammo, don't clean the gun (save on time and lube).
Actually, Open isn't cheap. Buy what works, don't complain about it, practice a lot, and just have fun.
Why would we need a second (or third?) guide pin for a cartridge as short as 9mm or 9 major? Can't imagine what kind of machine "flex" would be created in that situation.
Especially in a climate with wide variations in temperature and/or humidity, I wouldn't want to put a complex, expensive piece of equipment in a regular garage. Too many metal surfaces, too many interactive parts. Also, primers don't draw moisture but powder does. I wouldn't want to be spraying my $3000 Evo (or my 650 and 550) with WD40 and going out to crank them every couple of days; I'd surely forget and the rust would begin to grow.
I don't have a basement at all and do have such a garage. My loading setup is in a small bedroom, climate controlled. I'll find a way to add the Evo to it when I get one (probably sell the 550), but I most surely want to protect the investment and keep the peace of mind.
This is the problem with taking "surveys" in a forum. Those with gripes are happy to air them and those with successes often don't mention them, and somebody turns the gripes into "oh, that's a terrible brand, don't buy from them".
My CK open is going strong at 30k rounds, is soft, accurate, flat, reliable, still pretty tight. I've spoken with them a couple of times, no complaints.
Norm doesn't seem to shoot much. he said above that it's mainly at an indoor range, no competitive matches. he doesn't show up in a Practiscore Competitor search. Mostly for fun, I guess.
But 20-40k a year, pulling the handle would be fine if there was a bullet and case feeder and everything worked perfectly, stroke after stroke. For another $2500 or so, automation would be even better.
I'm waiting until the kinks are worked out and sales, service, and the machine are all working together, at the same time. They're new, and the potential seems pretty good.
It seems this poster is having a bad experience with a very expensive machine. Perhaps it would be best to cancel the order and go with another option. At this rate it may be difficult to be happy with them, and that's a hard way to begin a relationship with a complicated machine.