Nik Habicht

Chrono is a stage, so he did use the 170 to shoot a stage. Equipment gets checked at chrono. I don't think he did. Unless he was the chrono guy. He handed his gun, mag, and ammo to the chrono guy and HE shot the stage. Well, if we're going to accept that argument, then the competitor in Production who fires 9 rounds and drops a mag containing 3 more rounds also shouldn't be moved to open -- but that's not how the rules work...... ...and it might be why the equipment decisions stop with the RM.....

The ready condition for production is not safety on, it is fully decocked, hammer fully down, for guns with external hammers. That's the start position. Again, 8.2.5 says A ready condition, NOT "The ready condition for your division"8.1.2.3 is A ready condition. For production with a DA/SA trigger there is only one ready condition. Equipment rules for production apply, not other divisions. So 8.2.5 also states that you can re-holster an unloaded gun. Are you going to suggest that on a loaded gun start, a production shooter may not reholster an unloaded gun? Because it might not be in the same ready condition as it was at the start if its unloaded......

That mag in the gun -- looks long....... Curious to see if it passes the gauge..... If I saw it at a match I was officiating, I'd whip a gauge out.....

Teros, I'll wait for one of the RMIs to chime in, but I find it hard to believe they would extend your reasoning to include the "at the start signal" requirements for reholstering after the start signal......

You could reholster (after the start signal) by applying the safety on a production gun, if so equipped. As far as movement goes, application of the safety is recommended, not required. Back inn the dark ages, when I actually shot a 1911s in competition occasionally, I found it pretty easy to swipe the safety on when moving and to click it off when driving the gun to the target. To each their own....

It's interesting because many metal guns with a loaded mag will be so heavy that they actually won't be vertical while in holster. As a result, the measurements between worn and removed would differ pretty significantly. Is it the shooter who decides how he/she wants to measure this distance, or the SO/MD? I would imagine if the rig fails the shooter can ask to remove it and have it remeasured. Probably falls under RM discretion. Best bet -- set your rig up to be compliant; it beats arguing with officials at a match....

They're subject to being checked, but if you're shooting open, we're using the 171.25 end of the gauge...... So, I'd think they would pass muster....

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During a transition/reload...finger in trigger guard/broke 180....all in a couple short seconds....I am an idiot... No, you're not an idiot. You do have a couple of things to work on, in dryfire...... Get to work, and we'll see you on the range! :-)

It's not an easy fix. The time limit came about because an early member left in a huff -- but not before erasing/editing out all of the content of his posts. That left a bunch of unintelligible threads on the board, hence the limitation.....

Check, check, check to make sure they're not longer than the gauge, once you add a pad......

I think it depends on what you like, who you have trigger time with, and your personality....... I like Glocks. I don't necessarily like them better than M&Ps or Sig 320s -- and if I were starting over the Sig might be my choice -- but I've got a lot of trigger time on the Glock platform. Last but not least, from a personality standpoint, I don't need to be shooting the gun de jour -- the gun's not holding me back...... For you the answers might (probably will) be totally different...... Start with "What do I like?" Then consider what platform you have experience with, and how relevant that experience is. Then consider how important it is to fit in, versus being the one guy at the match doing something different.... If I needed a Limited gun tomorrow, I'd pick up a Glock 35 or 2, order my favorite Sevigny sights, Vanek or DK triggers, Arredondo mag extensions as well as some of the newer third party mags to try. I'd slap on some Tru-grip once I settled on a backstop (if gen 4) and order in some 165 and 180 grain heads, and some once fired cases -- and dies or another press. Wow -- I'm getting tired just thinking about all that -- think I'll stick with production or Limited minor.

Strictly a guess but the thinking might be that the shooter is done shooting at targets, and the loaded rifle he's holding is an obstacle toward whatever comes next -- like engaging handgun targets. So the rules writers might have been worried that a shooter who hurries the process of dumping the mag, burning the last round and then dumping the long gun might be more likely to send a round in the wrong direction, than a competitor engaging a target in an unorthodox manner..... But again -- that's strictly a guess.....

Also keep in mind that a scoresheet without a time recorded, or with insufficient hits recorded is handled accordingly: Now there are exceptions, but generally speaking not recording the time and hits results in a reshoot. At least that would be my call if I was working in the RM role at a match.....

Comp-tac Beltfeed for the first four, followed by two singles -- one made by Blade-Tech, the other I can't remember. (Largely because the singles were in my drawer.....)

I'll mention this too -- our hosts advocates pulling and measuring ten cartridges worth of powder at the beginning of a session, and then dividing the total weight by ten to arrive at your charge weight. So if I were setting for 4.6, I might expect the scale to read in sequence: 4.6, 9.1, 13.7, 18.2, 22.8, 27.4, 31.9, 36.5, 41.0, 45.4. When I divide that last number by ten, I come up with a charge weight of 4.54 grains -- and I can tell that my powder measure is working correctly by consistently throwing a charge weight that's within the expected variance. I then spot check that occasionally throughout the reloading session. If I go beyond 500 rounds I might do it again.

Good luck, Kevin!

Maybe I'm remembering this wrong -- but I think the only time I've seen two RMs at a match was Nationals. I thought they divided the range in half, with each RM taking responsibility for a block of stages. But I could be wrong....

Look at both 21.4 and 22.2 under Appendix D4 -- Production DIVISION. Do your grips change the profile of the OEM grips by adding finger grooves where there were none? If so they're not ok.....

Would it help if it said "All reloads must come directly from barrels, and may not come from any mag pouch?"

The board is working as it should.....

Yeah, so the real plan -- before worrying about speed vs. points -- should be: Shoot a clean match. That means no misses, no no-shoot hits. Try to shoot accurately enough that you won't be taking a lot of makeup shots. Everyone of those costs time -- and it's not often time well spent when you're starting out, when the splits and transitions back to the target really add significant time. Once you can efficiently shoot and call your shots from 3 to 30 yards, on full targets and partials, including tight no-shoot covered partials, it's time to work on single hand skills a little, along with odd positions -- seated, kneeling, prone. Got all that down? Start working on shooting on the move -- start with moving toward or away from targets in a straight line. Then shooting at targets while moving horizontally. Then shooting as soon as you have a target available while coming into a position, even if the order is weird. Once you master that, it's time to figure out if you're faster shooting on an "as available" even if out of order basis as you move into a position, or is it better for overall stage time to drive all the way and sweep across? You're now working on engaging targets in the most efficient matter possible for you. At this point speed versus points stops mattering because you can effortlessly dial up and down the speed of movement or the vision or both on an as needed basis -- essentially you'll be giving each shot exactly the time it needs to be a solid hit. Bottom line -- shooting clean will help you win, whether you're competing for the division title or for high B class with a couple of your friends....

The only way I worried about this concept when I was getting started, was when there was something on the stage that I knew would slow me down -- like a Cooper Tunnel. I'd simply start knowing that I couldn't compete on time -- so the focus became about shooting as many alphas as possible...... Eventually I saw the light and made that the mission on every stage. After progressing a little while shooting perfect or near perfect hits, I added a few words to the end: Shoot as many alphas as possible, while running the stage in as short a time as possible. Notice that running the stage is not about the shooting; it's about everything else. Also note that while shooting as many alphas as possible, each alpha should make the most efficient use of time -- in other words never slow down more than you need to to guarantee alphas, and never speed up to more than the pace at which you can guarantee alphas. Depending on the distance to target and amount of hard cover or no-shoots used your splits might be .15 or they might be .33 -- they should be whatever it takes to get a good hit.... Sidenote -- I shoot/shot mainly production, so the points really matter.

I usually just put a rubber o-ring under the hammer so the noise doesn't hurt my feelings, but I did show up to a match once with mag full of dummy rounds still in my gun from dry-fire. I'm thinking dummy rounds in the safe areas is a DQ ? I think it would be legal if you realized dummy rounds were in the gun, if you immediately sought out RO assistance to clear the gun and continue normally. Certainly if you remove the magazine yourself or otherwise handle the rounds or loaded mag in the safe area, it is a DQ. Every RMI I've ever taken a class from has made the point that what we're trying to prevent with 10.5.12 is a one step into the gun/chamber approach for ammo. So -- it's perfectly ok to remove closed boxes of ammo from your range bag so you can retrieve a tool that's stored underneath -- but you better not scoop up any loose rounds, brass, snap caps, etc. If you rack a snap cap out in the safe are -- you actually did not have a clear chamber in the gun and this unfortunately does result in a match disqualification......

5mm = 13/64 of an inch. Really! I don't think there is a trigger package/modification out there that doesn't move the trigger a touch. Look out everyone, we will be looking at everyone's trigger position with a micrometer at Chrono. They will have a brand new model of everyone's gun to compare. Smartass mode off. He asked if it was allowed -- it's not. He didn't ask if he'd be caught and moved and to open -- that's possible but unlikely.....