Tokarev Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm obviously going against the stream here, and truth be told, I don't really have a problem with the 10-round limit. But I guess I'm more interested in making a political statement then anything else. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tokarev said: I'm obviously going against the stream here, and truth be told, I don't really have a problem with the 10-round limit. But I guess I'm more interested in making a political statement then anything else. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Understood...send in a comment and see where it goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Already have. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2benny Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I can't believe the number of people who invested in guns to conform with division rules that now are going to have to replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 2 hours ago, f2benny said: I can't believe the number of people who invested in guns to conform with division rules that now are going to have to replace them. Just noticed, changed CCP height to 5 3/8 from 6. Takes my XD out of the picture (5.5) and if I want to replace it with my CZ 75 compact I will need to buy more short mags. With USPSA their is an optional equipment race as better things are developed. With IDPA their is a mandatory equipment circle jerk for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2benny Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Exactly. I could see lengthening barrels to permit commanders but that height reduction is hurting folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hostetter Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Looking forward to shooting IDPA PCC with my 10" SBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 what i keep hearing is "they were provisional divisions, so you should have expected some change" as the excuse/reason behind the bug and ccp changes. Seems somewhat capricious to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, rowdyb said: what i keep hearing is "they were provisional divisions, so you should have expected some change" as the excuse/reason behind the bug and ccp changes. Seems somewhat capricious to me... frankly that's crap and just irresponsible. idpa knew folks would use the new rules to justify running out and getting some more/different guns. if anything they should have set the specs more stringently provisionally and then loosened them in the final rules. who knows, maybe / hopefully they will pay attention to some of the feedback they got and this will be much ado over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 hour ago, davsco said: frankly that's crap and just irresponsible. idpa knew folks would use the new rules to justify running out and getting some more/different guns. if anything they should have set the specs more stringently provisionally and then loosened them in the final rules. You, Sir, have a heightened ability to detect the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Such BS. Its one thing to tweak the specs that allow a bit more variety of choices. It's another to outlaw most of what's currently being used. My club has numerous members that will have to purchase another CCP legal gun to play. Most lost their BUG gun and the few that played in that sand box aren't looking to buy another BUG. Why spend more money on firearms that just a few months ago at Nationals were legal and then banned the following. What's to stop them from pulling the same BS again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I didn't think there was enough spread between the '15 CCP and BUG. But I don't think I will be shooting full matches with the '17 BUG, especially not the Back To Chief revolver side. Fooled me on the original 5" to 4" SSR trick, they won't again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaritx Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 It's more of the same. After the early rulebook change.......all 5 of my Comp-tac Paddle holsters (one for each division) that were legal before the change became illegal after the change. ($60.00 a pop)..... lost $300.00 and had to buy another $400.00 in new :legal" holsters on that rule change........ Lucky I did not have a 5 inch revolver at the time or it would have been in the same boat.....legal then illegal......oh yea...those paddle Holsters.....after trying to change one to make it legal (total disaster) and selling all the others.... down the road with other rulebook changes....they became legal again Later..... all my Big Butt grips on my three revolvers (2 on my SSR and one on my ESR) that were legal for years suddenly became illegal ($80.00 a pop).....lost $240.00 on that rule change and payed another $300.00 in "legal" grips. Now, once again.... what was once legal is now illegal and costing IDPA Shooter's........ money, grief and irritation. Independent of change, IDPA will have shooters. Those that have been harmed will either stay and take it (like myself) or leave. To each their own but as others have stated...... make the rules and stick to them. Constant modification that motivates shooter's to invest in guns and equipment that is IDPA legal only to then arbitrarily change the rules to then make that investment "non-IDPA" legal is neither logical or productive to the IDPA sport. Garry Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, solaritx said: It's more of the same. After the early rulebook change.......all 5 of my Comp-tac Paddle holsters (one for each division) that were legal before the change became illegal after the change. ($60.00 a pop)..... lost $300.00 and had to buy another $400.00 in new :legal" holsters on that rule change........ Lucky I did not have a 5 inch revolver at the time or it would have been in the same boat.....legal then illegal......oh yea...those paddle Holsters.....after trying to change one to make it legal (total disaster) and selling all the others.... down the road with other rulebook changes....they became legal again Later..... all my Big Butt grips on my three revolvers (2 on my SSR and one on my ESR) that were legal for years suddenly became illegal ($80.00 a pop).....lost $240.00 on that rule change and payed another $300.00 in "legal" grips. Now, once again.... what was once legal is now illegal and costing IDPA Shooter's........ money, grief and irritation. Independent of change, IDPA will have shooters. Those that have been harmed will either stay and take it (like myself) or leave. To each their own but as others have stated...... make the rules and stick to them. Constant modification that motivates shooter's to invest in guns and equipment that is IDPA legal only to then arbitrarily change the rules to then make that investment "non-IDPA" legal is neither logical or productive to the IDPA sport. Garry Newton Are you saying paddle holsters are not legal in IDPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMan Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 On 11/14/2016 at 9:23 AM, fastluck13 said: Maybe make a requirement for the number of buttons your fishing vest can have. Or yelling COVER ME whenever moving or RELOADING whenever reloading. Or always leaving a position off your strong foot. what other arbitrary stuff can be added? Maybe style points or penalties? Form? Not using a proper Thunder Ranch grip? Lolololololol!!! The stupidist rule has to be that If I run out and need to reload in the open, I must not move while reloading. WHAT??? Every training class I've ever been to says to MOVE when I run dry. Can anyone refute this? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, LabMan said: Lolololololol!!! The stupidist rule has to be that If I run out and need to reload in the open, I must not move while reloading. WHAT??? Every training class I've ever been to says to MOVE when I run dry. Can anyone refute this? Thanks I must have missed that. I don't see what you are talking about. Can you help me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, LabMan said: Lolololololol!!! The stupidist rule has to be that If I run out and need to reload in the open, I must not move while reloading. WHAT??? Every training class I've ever been to says to MOVE when I run dry. Can anyone refute this? Thanks You can be a naysayer without making stuff up: (Draft) 3.6.1 When the shooter runs the firearm empty in the open, the shooter may reload in the open and continue engaging targets as needed or move to the next shooting position. 3.6.2 In stages with cover or concealment, shooters may reload standing still or on the move anytime as long as they are not exposed to unengaged targets during the reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, LabMan said: Lolololololol!!! The stupidist rule has to be that If I run out and need to reload in the open, I must not move while reloading. WHAT??? Every training class I've ever been to says to MOVE when I run dry. Can anyone refute this? Thanks This is not a rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickDoyle Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 4:28 AM, f2benny said: Exactly. I could see lengthening barrels to permit commanders but that height reduction is hurting folks. Hurts me....had new 1911 dolled up and ready...now too long....grrrrrrr.....back to drawing board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaritx Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 On 12/16/2016 at 4:00 PM, BillR1 said: Are you saying paddle holsters are not legal in IDPA? At one time, paddle holsters made by Comp-tac THAT WERE LEGAL....... were no longer legal because of the distance offset rule. This distance rule later was modified once again and the illegal holsters became legal again depending on body style. The same holster that became illegal was still legal for females because of "different body style" and the same rational was used many rulebooks later to make them legal again dependent on body style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) On 12/16/2016 at 6:20 PM, Jim Watson said: You can be a naysayer without making stuff up: (Draft) 3.6.1 When the shooter runs the firearm empty in the open, the shooter may reload in the open and continue engaging targets as needed or move to the next shooting position. 3.6.2 In stages with cover or concealment, shooters may reload standing still or on the move anytime as long as they are not exposed to unengaged targets during the reload. I read this as not being able to reload on the move. I've been penalized for this many times, as has many others in my club. 3.6.2.1 If the shooter reloads and continues to engage or re-engage targets while moving to the next shooting position, a Procedural Error penalty will be assessed for each shot fired. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It might come across that way, I apologize. Jim, are your rules from 2016 or 2017 rules? I'm referring to 2016. Edited December 24, 2016 by LabMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, LabMan said: I read this as not being able to reload on the move. I've been penalized for this many times, as has many others in my club. 3.6.2.1 If the shooter reloads and continues to engage or re-engage targets while moving to the next shooting position, a Procedural Error penalty will be assessed for each shot fired. I'm not trying to be a jerk. It might come across that way, I apologize. Jim, are your rules from 2016 or 2017 rules? I'm referring to 2016. You would be right, if this discussion was about old rules. Considering that the title of the thread is "New Rules for 2017?", that might be a give away. Edited December 24, 2016 by JackinSD Tone it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Oh, at least they got that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Apropo which, see the thread "The Real Thing" above which has link to the official version to go into effect immediately January First. There are some changes from the Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I read through the equipment rules and no longer see any mention of the dustcover length being an issue. Does this mean that I could use my STI Edge for ESP?? What about Tanfoglio Stock 3 for SSP? I assume that the Stock 2 is excluded because of the Cone barrel. I understand what a cone/flanged barrel is but I am still unclear what defines a "heavy" bull barrel vs. a barrel without a bushing (like you would have in a Glock 34) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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