Jay6 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I was thinking about the "what if's" of another weapon ban and my thoughts shifted to USPSA. What if legislation again banned hi cap mags? Would open and limited class slowly get phased out? I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use but new shooters would not be able to get into it. Over time an existing shooter would not be able to obtain additional mags if theirs broke. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 We went through this from 1994-2004 and open & LTD survived just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay6 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 We went through this from 1994-2004 and open & LTD survived just fine. Well obviously there was some affect because wasn't that the time that they created "limited 10" to allow shooters to enter the sport? Don't get me wrong, I shoot open and do not want the cost of my big stick to go through the roof. I just thought it was worth a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 This doesn't belong in the beginners area. - moved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 They can come and visit me in SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay6 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. So you think a couple more reloads per stage, or perhaps less 32 round stages would be toxic to this sport? One would have to be pretty lame to quit shooting simply because he could no longer use more than a 10-round magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. So you think a couple more reloads per stage, or perhaps less 32 round stages would be toxic to this sport? One would have to be pretty lame to quit shooting simply because he could no longer use more than a 10-round magazine. There is no room in this discussion for logic or reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay6 Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. So you think a couple more reloads per stage, or perhaps less 32 round stages would be toxic to this sport? One would have to be pretty lame to quit shooting simply because he could no longer use more than a 10-round magazine. Not at all what I was saying. I started out shooting production and limited 10 and just recently switched to Open. All I was saying is it would tough for someone to have thousands of dollars into gear that can not be used. Man, does everyone get jumped all over in here when they try and start a normal converstion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 If IPSC can survive in Canadia then USPSA will survive here even if limited round magazine are posed upon us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashvillebill Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Open-10, anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Open-10, anybody? The guys in Hawaii are familiar with this. I watched a match in Maui about a month ago. I didn't think it was much of a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 When we are faced with challenges it is not the challenge that will define us but how we approach and adapt as necessary to overcome that challenge and then it will be the successes that define us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvb Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 it's a slippery slope. danger. watch your footing. everyone for some reason (ok, history) assumes you'd be limted to 10. what about open-6? what about open-3? sure it CAN survive, but why are you ok with that? -rvb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSCDRL Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 What if legislation again banned hi cap mags? Would open and limited class slowly get phased out? Thoughts? No worries as there is no such animal as "Open" or "Limited" class. The classes are U, D, C, B, A, M, and GM. Class represents your shooting ability compared to others. "Divisions" are determined by the equipment you use for a particular match. (Not jumping on you, it is a common confusion) I blame Charlie Funk for it and those familiar with the early development of EZ-score will understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Warrior Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 If IPSC can survive in Canadia then USPSA will survive here even if limited round magazine are posed upon us. So far, so good in ole' Canadia eh.... ...but I wouldn't speak to loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. So you think a couple more reloads per stage, or perhaps less 32 round stages would be toxic to this sport? One would have to be pretty lame to quit shooting simply because he could no longer use more than a 10-round magazine. Not at all what I was saying. I started out shooting production and limited 10 and just recently switched to Open. All I was saying is it would tough for someone to have thousands of dollars into gear that can not be used. Man, does everyone get jumped all over in here when they try and start a normal converstion? If you think this is bad then go to the reloading area and announce that you are buying a Lee loader. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I don't have any weapons, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 When we are faced with challenges it is not the challenge that will define us but how we approach and adapt as necessary to overcome that challenge and then it will be the successes that define us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Thank you IPSCDRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajarrel Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) Not having a crystal ball, I cannot see what will be. Going on what we had from 94-04, we managed to keep shooting. I started IPSC shooting in 2001 (Oh, how I wish I had known about it earlier ) and I was shooting what I had at the time. In 2002 I bit the bullet and bought an STI. It came with 2 hi cap mags and two 10 rounders. The ban was in effect at the time and you could only replace damaged or destroyed magazines, but the tubes were available. They were about $100 a piece for 140 mm mags. The point is, I didn't know the ban would end in 2004, I just wanted to shoot limited with hi-caps so, being able to, I spend the $$$$ required to do so. Lim-10 was created, IMHO, to allow those who didn't want to invest in the hi$$$ mags, or were in states that didn't allow anything >10 rounds, to be able to shoot. Sooooo, I'm not going looking for troubles. I'll be prepared, as much as is possible, for a future ban. But I cannot say if the 'ownership' of hi-caps will be banned or if only the purchase of new ones will. Only time will tell. That being said, until the time I cannot, I'll shoot my hi caps in limited and open and enjoy every minute of it. fwiw dj Edited December 17, 2008 by dajarrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay6 Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 I know that existing mags would probably be ok to own and use That is not a given. When they legislated mag restrictions ion NJ they did not grandfather anything. Ok, well that would pose even greater of a problem for the sport. I am still not sure what the logic would be to pass another ban as the previous one did not lower any of the vital statistics they were hoping but it still wakes me every now and then thinking about it. So you think a couple more reloads per stage, or perhaps less 32 round stages would be toxic to this sport? One would have to be pretty lame to quit shooting simply because he could no longer use more than a 10-round magazine. Not at all what I was saying. I started out shooting production and limited 10 and just recently switched to Open. All I was saying is it would tough for someone to have thousands of dollars into gear that can not be used. Man, does everyone get jumped all over in here when they try and start a normal converstion? If you think this is bad then go to the reloading area and announce that you are buying a Lee loader. Chris Well that would be just plain silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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