Julien Boit Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Hi all, Any of you use a VFG for limited ARs ? I know they are all the rage in the "tacticool" community, but is there a real need for them in the sport ? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Boils down to personal preference. I like them, though it must be said that, IIRC, the top shooters at the Nordic Championship didn't use them (in Open) I'd suggest you just try one and see for yourself if you like em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I like them on certain stages. With that being said...I will use one if it is allowed that it be removed. Some match rules stipulate that what is attached at the beginning of the match must remain attached. But yes....I do find them to be benefical at times and they can also become very cumbersome at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 I was especially thinking about the stubby grip from Tangodown. It should be easier to use when shooting prone with 20 rounds mags. Some country in europe doesn't allow more than 10 rounds in rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSteve Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 VFGs do have a cool tactical look to them, but you don't really see them as much around here. If you shoot a lot of tight shoot house type stuff, they have a bad habit of getting hung up on window frames and door trim. I like having the extra couple inches of barrel (20"), throw a comp on and it gets tight enough without having to worry about snagging a VFG. With all that said, if you like it and it works for you, by all means enjoy one, just be aware of the snag factor because it is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Didn't we do about 5 pages of this recently? KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Didn't we do about 5 pages of this recently? KurtM Sometimes 5 just don't cover it. I'm leanin towards needin about 10 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooddog Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 After an accident this past summer I am not able to completely twist my forearm over so I will be installing a vertical grip, so I see a use for them now where prior to I did not. (other than the cool factor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 This been said yet? They are legal for limited, Tactical....but you can't use them as a support on any surface, well, unless you wanna shoot open. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear1142 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 They are legal for limited, Tactical....but you can't use them as a support on any surface, well, unless you wanna shoot open. That is not entirely accurate. The only prohibited use of the VFG for support is if you rest it on a surface like a monopod. Any other bracing use is legal. It is also legal to rest you hand under the grip in the monopod manner. If I choose to monopod off the VFG, I just curl my little finger under the bottom of the VFG, so there is no contact between the VFG and the surface I am resting it upon. Total rule gamer I know, but it is legal and it works. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Total rule gamer I know, but it is legal and it works. Damn GMs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 I suspect Eric is going to start running two vertical foregrips or maybe even three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 After having seen a few people on 3 Gun Nation using a Vertical Fore Grip, I thought it might be worth revisiting this. LaRue has a QD stubby grip with two plugs that make it a medium or long grip, depending on what you want. It's not cheap but I wonder if it's worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Absolute Zero Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I used one when I was in the army, and though I'm a civilian now I've kept all my ARs similar to how I had my rifle set up when I was AD. I don't think they give you much of an advantage in a multi-gun scenario but for military/SD/HD type situations where retention may be a factor they definitely help out IMHO. Also I find that VFGs give you a good reference point and a bit more leverage to activate white light tail cap switches (if you're into that kind of thing) CAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VILLAMOR=- Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I agree with CAZ. VFG's has a tactical purpose. I used one with when I was in SWAT having to make entry into tight (and often times occupied) spaces. The VFG gave me extra grip for weapon retention and for manipulating the gun around corners. It also allowed me to easily manipulate my weapon mounted light with a pressure switch attached to the VFG. When I started competiting, I used one but found it to be problematic when shooting over makesift roof obstacles or a large wooden wire spool. I eventually dropped it after realizing that weapon retention is not as important in competitions (unless of course you worry about the guys in your squad). I did start using one again after I switched to a POF rifle. With the piston system and wider hand guard, I was not able to get a good grip on the rifle. I have now switched to a JP Rifle and the JP hand guard is the best in the market. I recommend trying a VFG and see if it works for you. I would also agree with going with a stubby one like an Ergo Mini-Max http://www.ergogrips.net/item-detail.cfm?ID=4271-BK&storeid=1ℑ=ergominmaxvfg.gif&CFID=2461113&CFTOKEN=18290392 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 I would also agree with going with a stubby one like an Ergo Mini-Max I've been using what I think is called the "sword technique" (hand way forward along side with index finger pointed and other fingers curled around the handguard) and it works well but it aggravates a mild case of ulnar tendinitis. I tried a Magpul angled forward grip and that is as bad or worse, so, I thought I might try a vertical grip for a while. But it seems that few people are using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braxton1 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 A number of people are using the stubbies as a sort of a handstop, albeit in the reverse of the manner normally thought of. Assuming that you use the Leatham/Enos/"Thumbs-Forward"/Golfer grip, you would maintain the same angle of the weak-hand wrist and still point the weak-hand thumb directly at the target. Put this grip in front of the VFG and use the VFG as a handstop to press against. Like such: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua79109 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) A number of people are using the stubbies as a sort of a handstop, albeit in the reverse of the manner normally thought of. Assuming that you use the Leatham/Enos/"Thumbs-Forward"/Golfer grip, you would maintain the same angle of the weak-hand wrist and still point the weak-hand thumb directly at the target. Put this grip in front of the VFG and use the VFG as a handstop to press against. Like such: This is the grip I use, which makes me suspect that most folks around here won't like it. Edited to add: My favorite is the Tango Down Stubby grip, but I also use the KAC grip. Edited September 11, 2010 by joshua79109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Absolute Zero Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 If folks decide to go for a VFG whether full size or snubby I definitely recommend that they pay the extra $$$ and get the quick detach models. All of my long guns are set up for SD/HD, I haven't gotten around to competing in multigun yet, so the main reason I have a QD is so I can pop it off if I need to enhance some kind of hand guard supported position. This was a valuable feature when I was in the army because I would pop it off during qualification as we were using sandbags for supported shooting, then put it back on for everything else like SRM and CQB. I can also see the value of the QD feature for competition. That way if you scope out the match beforehand and see that a VFG may be more of a hinderance than a help you can take it off easily. My personal favorite so far is the tango down QD model. I use the same VFG grip the braxton 1 shows in his pictures. I think it gives a good compromise in control and sustainability (i.e. not too fatiguing) I think that the sword grip gives you a bit more leverage for driving the gun and controlling recoil but the way my rifles are set up now the BUIS and white light get in the way of this type of grip. CAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BLDR Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I use the same VFG grip the braxton 1 shows in his pictures with one modification in that the index finger is pulled up straight along the hand guard and pointed at the target along with the thumb. I prefer the Tango Down Stubby for this. I feel it gives a good target index and is easier on the wrist. Out, 2011BLDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 the magpul AFG will give you a bit more natural "thumbs forward" grip with your weak hand. seemed to be a bit more consistant in getting the same grip angle when i had it on my rifle. (i know have a carbon fiber tube so no room for it). Plus i was worried about it making contact with a prop and bumping me to Open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 When I started competiting, I used one but found it to be problematic when shooting over makesift roof obstacles or a large wooden wire spool. I eventually dropped it after realizing that weapon retention is not as important in competitions (unless of course you worry about the guys in your squad). Now that is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp73 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I was especially thinking about the stubby grip from Tangodown. It should be easier to use when shooting prone with 20 rounds mags. Some country in europe doesn't allow more than 10 rounds in rifles. I just bought a tangodown stubby (the old model with the AD QD lever). I am new to rifle and the idea was to use it as a reference point /hand stop to teach myself to use the same grip every time. I do not hold on the grip itself. I have found that it helps me get a firmer grip on the gun using almost no effort. Unsure if that is really an advantage put it feels better during hoser stages. The biggest benefit for me has been that I am more consistent from the starting position to the first shot. When I have learned to grip the rifle in the same way every time I think I will take it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp73 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) doble post Edited August 18, 2011 by olp73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This been said yet? They are legal for limited, Tactical....but you can't use them as a support on any surface, well, unless you wanna shoot open. Tim Tim, Where did you find that information. I could not find it in the USPSA 3gun rules. Is this a non USPSA thing? I need to know because I plan on using one for support because of a disability in tactical division. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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