joshua79109

I've been using one for a while now and it's a great tool. It really speeds up the process. I've sent 3 to friends who are currently serving in combat and all three like them.

Butch's Bore Shine takes care of anything I've run into. Sometimes I soak in a foaming bore cleaner first if it's exceptionally dirty.

I wonder if a cross dominance (right handed left eye dominant) plays into the opinions any? (besides the other reasons listed)

Well, could be lots of differences - choice of optic - use of forward grip / rail - use of lightened bcg and buffer - trigger - use of light - brand preferred seems to be different I lean to the personal protection side, but use my carbines for 3 gun and coyotes. So I'd say it depends on your goal. I seem to enjoy shooting for sport, but attempting to maintain a personal protection mindset while doing so. Most post I read around here the folks really gear more towards 3 gun, so they set up their carbines more that way. I'd imagine you would have plenty of fun taking out your tactical carbine and giving it a try and then if you have the urge you could build a 3 gun carbine any way you want.

This is the grip I use, which makes me suspect that most folks around here won't like it. Edited to add: My favorite is the Tango Down Stubby grip, but I also use the KAC grip.

I'm not sure if this will help you or not, but here is a link to a fella that shows some high speed video testing a few different buffers. He has a bunch of other interesting videos as well.

The Millett is not a good scope to be judged against a high quality RDS. For a defensive gun the RDS is more popular probably due to its size,ruggedness, and percieved durability vs a 1-4 scope, rather than it actually bieng a better sighting system in actual use. For someone who wishes to shoot both Tac-optic and Limited, the versatility may have some merrit if they already have the RDS and magnifier, but If I already had a RDS and wanted to also play in Tac-Optic, I would forego the magnifier and go strait to a decent 1-4. Switching between the two with a good QD mount is no more difficult than taking off the Magnifier. I experimented for a while with a Aimpoint ML2 (2moa dot) and Aimpoint magnifier, both with LaRue mounts and comparing them with both a Meopta w/K dot and a Trijicon TR24, also in laRue mounts. My conclusion after several months and lots of ammo was the magnifier was a good idea for target ID, but really sucked as a long range aiming device. The 1-4 was much better at distance. Up close the aimpoint was good, better with the magnifier removed, and equal to but no better than the 1-4's. With the magnifier, swung out of the way on the pivot mount, it really messed with my periferal vision, which is not a good thing to me. The 1-4 does not have that issue and has a tremendous field of view compared to the aimpoint, without distracting your periferal vision. as someone mentioned in an earlier post, the RDS magnifier combo does not do anything a quality 1-4 doesn't do better. I'm sure you're right about the Millett and I just thought for the price it was worth a try. As far as why the RDS is more popular for personal protection you've missed the boat in my opinion. The reasons I believe folks on the personal protection side gravitate to something like the Aimpoint. - Battery Life - Durability - Reliability - Unlimited eye relief and unlimited field of view - excellent when sweaty or bloody - Co-Witness - Simple - good when under the pressures of someone shooting at you - Fast target acquisition - Very well proven - not just perceived - Excellent in low light While the 1-4 does some of those things it does not do all of those things. As far as accuracy with the magnifier. I get excellent groups out to 300 yards regularly and have pushed it to 400 yards. Most of my shots are under 150-200 yards and this set up serves me well. If most of my shots were over 150 yards I'd reconsider. For some folks the line between the two will be close while for others it is very far apart. Lots of room for opinion here. I won't pretend to be able to speak for the previous post, but his post says "for 3 gun" when referring to the 1-4 vs RDS with magnifier My overall point was that folks on the 3 gun side seem to gravitate to the 1-4 while folks on the personal protection side go towards the RDS or irons. So, for some the 1-4 will do everything the RDS will, for others that's simply not true. I believe it's just opinion and seems to be separated some by the intended use. I'm sure that the one that each individual is most trained on is the best for that person most of the time. I did not miss your point, My post was from a 3-gun competition aspect, as that is what the OP was enquiring about, I am sure your opinion is important to someone who might ask regarding a sighting device for your purposes (personal defense), perhaps you could start a thread to that affect. I do wish the competition would all switch to the RDS/magnifier combo. It doesn't appear as though you got the point in your response to my post. It appears as though you were attempting to argue against my point (that you now say is not even relevant to the op - so why add to the confusion if you're correct). My answer to the op was intended only to show the separation, not to argue one against the other. I made no such attempt until you posted up some inaccurate information about the RDS. It now seems that you would like to make it look like I'm off target by saying perhaps I should start a thread, well - no thanks. I stated in my original post that I understand this site is geared towards 3 gun and qualified my statement with that. As far as you stating what my purposes are, you seemed to miss a few. For my purposes the RDS serves very well for 3 gun, personal protection, and predator hunting. So to clarify, I like the RDS for 3 gun (as well as other things). If I had to pick only one sort of training from now on it would be personal protection as opposed to 3 gun and that is a lot of the reason I'd choose the RDS over the 1-4. Luckily I don't have to pick one style, so I pick the RDS and use it across the board, just because I like it more and I'm better with it. I'm nowhere near the top of the food chain in this sport, so I'm not terribly concerned with where using a good 1-4 might take my game as compared to the RDS. There are a good number of shooters like me out here, they just might not show up on a site like this. I'm much more likely to shoot irons in this sport than a good 1-4. And I'm not sure what cheers means to you, but in good spirit -

The Millett is not a good scope to be judged against a high quality RDS. For a defensive gun the RDS is more popular probably due to its size,ruggedness, and percieved durability vs a 1-4 scope, rather than it actually bieng a better sighting system in actual use. For someone who wishes to shoot both Tac-optic and Limited, the versatility may have some merrit if they already have the RDS and magnifier, but If I already had a RDS and wanted to also play in Tac-Optic, I would forego the magnifier and go strait to a decent 1-4. Switching between the two with a good QD mount is no more difficult than taking off the Magnifier. I experimented for a while with a Aimpoint ML2 (2moa dot) and Aimpoint magnifier, both with LaRue mounts and comparing them with both a Meopta w/K dot and a Trijicon TR24, also in laRue mounts. My conclusion after several months and lots of ammo was the magnifier was a good idea for target ID, but really sucked as a long range aiming device. The 1-4 was much better at distance. Up close the aimpoint was good, better with the magnifier removed, and equal to but no better than the 1-4's. With the magnifier, swung out of the way on the pivot mount, it really messed with my periferal vision, which is not a good thing to me. The 1-4 does not have that issue and has a tremendous field of view compared to the aimpoint, without distracting your periferal vision. as someone mentioned in an earlier post, the RDS magnifier combo does not do anything a quality 1-4 doesn't do better. I'm sure you're right about the Millett and I just thought for the price it was worth a try. As far as why the RDS is more popular for personal protection you've missed the boat in my opinion. The reasons I believe folks on the personal protection side gravitate to something like the Aimpoint. - Battery Life - Durability - Reliability - Unlimited eye relief and unlimited field of view - excellent when sweaty or bloody - Co-Witness - Simple - good when under the pressures of someone shooting at you - Fast target acquisition - Very well proven - not just perceived - Excellent in low light While the 1-4 does some of those things it does not do all of those things. As far as accuracy with the magnifier. I get excellent groups out to 300 yards regularly and have pushed it to 400 yards. Most of my shots are under 150-200 yards and this set up serves me well. If most of my shots were over 150 yards I'd reconsider. For some folks the line between the two will be close while for others it is very far apart. Lots of room for opinion here. I won't pretend to be able to speak for the previous post, but his post says "for 3 gun" when referring to the 1-4 vs RDS with magnifier My overall point was that folks on the 3 gun side seem to gravitate to the 1-4 while folks on the personal protection side go towards the RDS or irons. So, for some the 1-4 will do everything the RDS will, for others that's simply not true. I believe it's just opinion and seems to be separated some by the intended use. I'm sure that the one that each individual is most trained on is the best for that person most of the time.

I prefer the RDS with magnifier to the 1-4, but I don't have much time on the 1-4 yet and so far the only one I have is the Millett DMS-1. So far the 1-4 seems slower (for me) up close and it's a little harder to see with both eyes open on 1x. For the distances I shoot 5.56X45/223 the RDS is perfect (usually under 300 yards and out to 400 a few times). This area seems to be one that splits between 3 gun and personal protection. In the small amount I see there is some crossover each way. I've done a lot more on the personal protection side than the 3 gun side. At the carbine classes I've been to I see far more RDS and iron sights than 1-4s. For 3 gun stuff it seems that the 1-4 is much more popular. I lean towards the personal protection training and believe the RDS is stronger there. I understand that this site is geared towards sport and many folks that lean that way prefer the 1-4. I've also tried the 1-4 a few times to hunt coyotes and found it to be slower (for me) than the RDS - when I get a chance at more than one coyote as the 2nd - 3rd coyote is moving pretty good at that point.

No comments from the FN fanboy. Lol What can I say? The fact that I can be labeled does sting a little though.

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I use an Urban ERT, but I bet you can get a similar adapter for the stock (or maybe this one fits) - http://store.urbanertslings.com/ursiposlla.html - about 1/4 way down is the Extended UNIVERSAL POSITIVE RETENTION WRAP (P.R.W.) ADAPTER with Retention Tab ($13.75). For the front I just go to the side of the tri-rail with a sling adapter.

I'm not positive I am helping here, but I'll try. I believe the confusion could be in the length of the tubes/rails. They can be any length regardless of the gas system. The standard length would be where the actual gas block is for the rifle, mid, carbine lengths. Meaning the tube can extend well beyond or stop short of the block.

I'm new in 3 gun/multigun and am not nearly as good as many of the folks here. I enjoy shooting, but seem to lean more towards the shtf training and so far have tried to keep my carbines set up for multiple uses from matches, to training for personal protection, to coyote hunting. I run an Aimpoint with a 3x mag on a flip to side mount. I really like the set up. I don't seem to use the magnifier until I'm out past 100-150 yards depending on the run. If I'm moving a lot I just use the Aimpoint. I did just get a Millett DMS-1 to test and try out. I have very little time on it(about 600 rounds), but so far I can see why folks like them. For me, it is not nearly as easy to use with both eyes open (up close on 1x) as the Aimpoint. I plan to continue with the DMS-1 to see if I can get better with it with practice. Even if I can't ever get where I like it like an Aimpoint, I can see where it would be nice on a firearm set up for hunting. From what I've seen, there are not nearly as many of those using optics like an Aimpoint as compared to those using a 1-4. To the original question.... I very much like my set up with an Aimpoint and 3x magnifier on the flip to side mount.

I use fast mags http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105524&st=0&p=1200271&fromsearch=1entry1200271