Dowter Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Well, this is a "hate" forum so I guess the gloves are of. One caveat first... I'm a firm believer in not having one's personal info on the internet. I don't even like being in the phone book. I don't even give out my phone number to Radio Shack when I buy batteries. I avoid like the plague giving my phone number out to companies when I order stuff, and if it's mandatory that I give them my phone number "just in case" I give them a fake one. I told my girlfriend specifically that she wasn't going to be giving out my phone number to any companies if she moved in. (The last place that she lived got 7-10 calls a day from telemarketers because of her indiscriminate passing out of her phone number.) Having said that (to prove that I am concerned about personal privacy)... I am really pissed off at the mentally subnormal paranoid hillbillies who complained about having their names put in the match results of uspsa matches, so that now we have to enter in a password to look at match results on the uspsa web page. This is such an agravation, especially since they are changing the passwords with every issue of Front Sight magazine. Last time they changed the password, they changed it before most people got their copy of front sight magazine so some people weren't able to look at the match results for a certain period of time. If you don't want your name put in public match results - DON'T ENTER PUBLIC COMPETITIONS! What the hell are these people worried about? Isn't the aluminum foil that they are wrapping around their heads to keeps their thoughts from being stolen by the CIA or UFOs making them feel secure enough anymore? Exactly what paranoid fantasy are they harboring in which their name put in match results will lead to their demise?!?!? If they are just so terrified of seeing their name on the internet, then they can just change their name on their uspsa membership from Ty-42115 John Smith to Ty-42115 Hillbilly X. It will look odd in the standings but they'll be able to sleep at night since the boogeymen won't be able to find them. What really jerks my chain is that I'm probably going to have to eventually take down topguns.info because as soon as someone tells these small handfull of cavemen about my site, they'll complain to the uspsa and that will be all she wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 Here's an example of the goofballs that I'm talking about. ( A few months ago, I sent out emails to match directors telling them about topguns.info. Mostly people didn't care one way or another. Some actually liked the idea and put a link to the site on their clubs webpages.) Here's one letter that I got from a match director(name withheld) when I sent e-mails to uspsa match directors telling them about topguns.info Thank you for informing me of this published list.I, for one, am distressed that you have taken personal information about me without my permission and published it on the Internet. Frankly, I am quite pissed off that you would assume that you have a right to use my name and the information about me. Additionally, and I may be incorrect in this, but I assume that you have taken this information from files owned by the USPSA. I strongly suspect that you have used this information without their permission because I cannot believe that they would endorse any use of personal information without the express consent of everyone listed. I do understand that they hold this information, but they do not generally publish it for all the world to see. I am including Dave Thomas of the USPSA in the distribution of this message in the hope that he might bring before the organization my vehement objection to personal information about me being used in this way. I would think that the USPSA would be more careful about the distribution of personal information. Additionally, I am concerned that the publication of this list may violate copyrights held by the USPSA. Now that I've said my piece I instruct you to remove my name and any and all personal information about me from all publications that you may created in any format, electronic or otherwise. J********** USPSA Match Director *********** Here's my reply. I should of spazzed out on him but I decided to use discretion in this matter. Lighten up, buddy.? ? Anybody who doesn't want to be on the list can beremoved from the list for whatever reason they want.? No big deal. But of course since I believe that you are "J*****, TY-****" and not "J******, TY-******" (correct me if I'm wrong) you were never on any of the rankings in the first place, so I can't really remove you. The rankings are only based on major match results and you haven't shot any major matches in the last 12 month - so you're not on them. 1.? I have no personal information on you or any other person in the rankings.? All I have is a name and a USPSA number- the same (and only) stuff that is publicly published on match results.? And published match results is where I get my info. 2.? The USPSA doesn't give out, nor has given me any personal information on any shooter. 3.? I told Dave Thomas about my little pet project last November and he has known about it since. In the future please become informed about something before you send off angry e-mails. Thank you That seemed to shut him up... unless he was one of the ones that complained to the uspsa about match results being made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 If it's such a problem they should use pseudonyms. (I still want to know about that porn star at Area 2.) I'm usually Travis Bickle for people who don't need to know. Maybe USPSA should go fully pseudonymous, a la SASS. It would probably boost membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 LOL. Ok, I want to know more about the porn star at area 2. Sounds like an interesting story. There's a webpage out in cyberspace where they pick porn names for people. It's actually real simple process though. 1. Your first name is the name of your first pet. 2. Your last name is the street that you lived on as a kid. Mine came out - Max Perry. (But don't tell anybody, I might use that someday. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 OK, want an *invasion* of privacy? I do a search on my name every now and then to see if my website has finally popped up on Google. So, one day, I do the search and lo and behold what comes up? My complete genealogy data! This would all be really nifty if not in two clicks, someone was able to look up my mother's maiden name and my grandmother's maiden name. Why is this a problem? Banks use these as secret passwords for security verification. Can someone get this data by going to public records? Yup. But they actually have to GO there and ask. It's public information, but it is not widely disseminated public information. No one gave anyone in our family any type of heads-up that this was going to happen. After threatening to sue the website owner, the hosting provider, and the moron who put the information up in the first place (a distant relative), they finally took it down - for my entire side of the family. But....not until I was very forceful about it. Do I care if my name shows up next to my scores on the internet? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 We had a few people locally concerned not so much about privacy as that ordinary goobers might find out which weekend day they're out of the house for six or seven hours and think that might be a convenient time to drop by and see which guns weren't taken to the match. So we put a butt-simple password on our results. Anybody could figure it out with enough work, but it does stop the search robots and non-USPSA folks. It also keeps the tinfoil-hat crowd happy. (and I know who the porn star at Area 2 is.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 Laurie(Porsche) Lynn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Okay let’s see if I’ve got this… 1. Your first name is the name of your first pet. 2. Your last name is the street that you lived on as a kid. Then my name would be: Queenie Shifting Sands Trail?!?!?!? I think… NOT! Yet another example of, heretofore unknown, pre-adolescent scaring… thanks ever so much… Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 "Max Canberra does Debbie" I think I hear the 70's tunes in the background now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 I do a search on my name on Google every now and then as well, and am quite pleased that the first 20 or so hits all have something to do with me. If people want to find you, they will. And here in NL the problem of telemarketers calling you isn't as big as in the USA (I think). The odd call I get I politely refuse and that's it. And if you don't want your name to appear somewhere in public, then don't go public. What are those people thinking ? They are probably scared of reactions from other people (employers maybe) when they learn that they involve in such nasty and bordering-criminal things like guns and shooting them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hmmm, Oscar Knob would be my name. That is too funny. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 what's the big deal? In WinDoze it's one additional mouse click to get to the USPSA results area now. I'll click one more time if it makes a bunch of my fellow shooters happier.... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 what's the big deal? In WinDoze it's one additional mouse click to get to the USPSA results area now. I'll click one more time if it makes a bunch of my fellow shooters happier....--Detlef It's not the extra click. It's the remembering of passwords that change all the time. Not to mention that new shooters who haven't received their first issue of front sight can't look at the local match results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Well...I might as well set this up for someone... What about the shooters that aren't members of USPSA? They paid their match fee (and mission count), aren't they entitled to see results too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Part of the thinking behind moving the USPSA match results page under the "members" section is to start demonstrating the "value of membership" At this point, a person can get just about all the benefits of being a USPSA member, without ever actually supporting the sport. He or she can shoot club matches, get the benefit of the USPSA rules, RO training, course design standards, targets, everything else, without being a member. So, there is some desire on the part of the board to start differentiating, in order to illustrate that USPSA does provide valued services to its members.... some stuff, especially info about our sport, anyone can get to. But "services" that the org provides to its members, such as listings of USPSA match results on the USPSA webpage, may well be made available to *members*-only. I know there will be some that will send flames about that, but, as people flame, I hope they'll realize that they are flaming because they are mad about not getting something they value for *free* from an organization that they themselves are not willing to support. How much service *should* the organization give away to those people? ymmv Bruce (or, Duke Portofino, according to the above ;-) Oh, and about privacy (since that was the original thread). Every time I get weirded-out about privacy, my wife looks at me and says something like "Hmmm. You have a carry permit, you're a life-member of USPSA, NRA and the Washington Arms Collectors, you have guns delivered by FedEx, bullets and brass delivered by UPS, Front-Sight delivered by the post office.... do you really imagine you aren't already on every government watch-list list you could possibly be on?" That sorta puts it in perspective.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 They could always sign up as "Rusty Shackleford" Gotta be a King of the Hill fan for that one... SA (Amos 7?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Would you believe it comes out to "Schatze Magnolia"...? Now, is that sweet or what...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Bruce, I don't disagree with your post..and the "benefits of membership" idea. But, to play devil's advocate... At this point, a person can get just about all the benefits of being a USPSA member, without ever actually supporting the sport. Member or not...the shooter still pays a mission count fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 joshua winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 1. Your first name is the name of your first pet.2. Your last name is the street that you lived on as a kid. Mine would be Skippy Old 41 Highway. Somehow it doesn't flow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTerry Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 So, for the rest of us - when are you going to update the files? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 Good grief, now we all have a new set of monikers...!.... Hmmm... "Josh Winchester"... I rather like that one...! Has kind-of a genuine ring to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted July 27, 2003 Share Posted July 27, 2003 OHMYGAWD - Mine is, get this.... TOOTIE VINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted July 27, 2003 Share Posted July 27, 2003 Leave it to the ladies to pop up with hot little, er, uh, names...! Snicker....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted July 27, 2003 Share Posted July 27, 2003 ROTFLMAO "Charlie One Down" would be my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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