D.Hayden Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 At the X3 match last weekend.. one stage (Stage 7) - had the rifle sitting in the sun for quiet a while before it was picked up for use. In 104+ temperatures, my JP handguard got hot enough to burn my hand, as well as a few others that I saw out there. I couldn't use a glove, it was a combo stage, and I can't load weak handed with a glove on. I was thinking about wrapping lightweight bandage gauze or something? Anybody have any good tricks to help out with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Well, I appreciate the $$$ you have in the JP handguard, but you could try a carbon fiber one. I've not expierenced everheating issues with mine. I've also seen pics here on the forum of guys wrapping sections of a handguard with para cord. Looks good too. Edited May 22, 2008 by ken hebert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 Ken, actually your post about the carbon fiber guards.. got me thinking about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I too switched to a carbon fiber handguard from a vented aluminum. Not only doesn't it not get hot from shooting, but, it doesn't get icy when the weather is cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Paracord FTW ! Cheap, quick, good looking (like me), robust and cool to touch even after a hoser stage in the AZ summer heat: Edited May 22, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Paint it white or gray or another light color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Have it treated with truck bed lining. That's how the Predator uppers come from POF, and it works great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Keep it out of the sun!!!!! I keep mine in the case until i'm ready to shoot, Carbon fiber will get hot enough to keep you from wanting to grab it, but usually not from sitting in the sun. Keeping it in the case also keeps it out of dust, and I've never had a problem with putting it in right after shooting even when it was hot to the touch. it works for SG as well. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 This time we didn't have a choice. It was in the bag, in the sun (they wanted them staged), until I came up - we staged the rifle, then went to the shotgun half of the stage, with that staging, loading and firing that part, by the time I got to pick up the rifle.. that handguard was hotter than crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It was in the bag and got that hot? I guess you could wrap a light colored towel or something around it until you were ready to shoot. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 The bag was like a pre-heat in the oven.. then the 3 minutes or so, in the sun.. must have put the handguard in broiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickbeijer Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 On my 20 inch Colt upper I use the carbon pri handguard ,on my 18 '' JP the viking tactics alu handguard. The carbon one never gets extremly hot,the viking did but since i took off the JP alu heatsink it does not get too hot too hold it anymore. The heatsink comes very close to the handguard,I also had some accuracy problems in the beginning due to the heatsink. The screw for my bipod touched it when i rested the rifle on the bipod so my poi kept shifting up and down ,i took a while (and a lot of stress ) before I found out what the problem was. I do not use the heatsink anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Conley Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Use a wet towel to lay on it while you wait to shoot. Should start out pretty cool anyway. Chris C. Edited May 23, 2008 by Chris Conley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dave, A CF handguard helps, but like Trapr, have found that they can get nasty hot too. In the rare instances of long stage setups like that, it's almost unavoidable. A glove wouldn't hurt, especially if you use one for reloading your shotgun. I don't use one, but do keep a weight lifting glove in the bag, just in case someone else needs a loaner. I'm surprised that they didn't do pre-loading of the shotguns though. That's a HUGE time saver. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) How to paracord wrap your FF tube: 1) Obtain paracord of your chosen color. I recommend "real" 550 parachute cord, with white strands inside a colored outer sheath, rather than the braided stuff you get at WalMart. 2) Cut the paracord to length. For a plain-vanilla aluminum FF tube, you will need about 4 feet of paracord for every inch of tube you want to cover. Once cut, heat-seal the ends to prevent fraying. 3) Cut another length of paracord to approximately 18" long, fold in half, and then tie a knot with the loose ends to create a loop about 9" long. 4) Soak the longer length of paracord (from step 2) in water until its saturated, then shake off the excess water. 5) Starting with one cut end of the wet paracord near the middle of the FF tube, lay the paracord lengthwise along the tube towards the end you want to start wrapping. Now start wrapping the paracord around the tube, keeping things as tight as you can and working your way towards the opposite end. The wrapping will cover the first several inches you had initially layed lengthwise, thus preventing it from unravelling. 6) When you get within about 5" of the end, lay the 9" long loop of paracord lengthwise on the FF tube (knot towards the center of the FF tube), then continue wrapping the paracord so as to cover this loop. This loop needs to protrude about 2" at each end. 7) When you get to the end of the FF tube, insert the loose end of paracord through the protruding loop, and then pull on the opposite end of the loop so that the loose end of paracord is pulled under the wrapping. 8) Cut off any remaining loose ends of paracord, and heat seal. I hope the above is clear. Once the paracord dries, it will tighten down nicely and prevent the wrapping from unravelling. The paracord wrapping on the rifles shown in my post above was done several years ago, and has withstood hard 3-gun use with impunity. It still looks as good as it did the day I put it on. Of all the FF tubes I have ever handled, my paracord wrapping is by far the coolest to hold. I encourage you to try it and see what you are missing. Edited May 23, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Very good description! I may use it on one or two of my guns. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooting for M Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 What about muffler wrap, like on the old choppers? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 What a bunch of wussie's. Use carbon fibre fore end & grip it & rip it. However if you see me with something on mine , it's because I'm old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 What a bunch of wussie's. Use carbon fibre fore end & grip it & rip it. However if you see me with something on mine , it's because I'm old. So, what is on yours then Benny? :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) I couldn't use a glove, it was a combo stage, and I can't load weak handed with a glove on.Anybody have any good tricks to help out with this? A good quality Golf Glove would work NO problem. Foot-Joys StaySoft model is the best in the business!!!! Reloading is not a problem at all for pistol etc... A couple of the Bahamians use them all the time. My hands are like old leather, so no need. :blizzard: Edited May 24, 2008 by zhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Nothing on mine except my calused work hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Nothing on mine except my calused work hands. Benny, most folks here probably are more likely to have Carpal Tunnel than calauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I have a Clark CF handguard on one of my uppers and a JP on another. As noted the Clark will heat up more from shooting than the JP. But the JP will heat up more from the sun than the Clark. If you don't need to hang anything on the handguard --- JP Homie sight, lights, etc --- the Clark is a good handguard. Mine is also wrapped with paracord to reduce the heat transferred to the hand. If you got the ducats get the PRI handguard... http://www.pri-mounts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc...e=AR15_M16_FRMS Best of both worlds. Made of carbon fiber, the attachment to the nut is by threads (not glued on like the Clark) and you can attach accessories to the handguard without any mods (like you do with the Clark). It's also lighter than the JP. Taran and a lot of "top" shooters use the PRI handguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek45 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Last weekend's rifle match my JP handguards got hotter than hell. by the last stage I was holding the rifle by the magwell. I had the day off so I stopped by my local Army Surplus store. they had spools of Paracord. I found this on the web. So I tried it, not sure if I like it or not. the JP vent holes and looped cord make it look lumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 (edited) So I tried it, not sure if I like it or not. the JP vent holes and looped cord make it look lumpy It may look like ass, but at least your hand will be cool . A design suggestion if I may: black paracord will probably look better. Edited June 16, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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