rr4406pak Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thinking of shooting my AR-15 in some action rifle competitions. The targets at one match are from "right in front of you" to just over 300yds. Question is which optics are the best for such a wide range of engagement distances? I'm just using one of those $30 Simmons 42mm red dots right now and in local competitions it has served me well and holds its zero. Works great at the distances I've been shooting at (0 to 45yds). But I don't know if I can use this thing out to 300+ yards or not. Have not tried it yet. I also don't know if this scope will keep performing or will just go out on me when I least expect it. I also have a JPoint, but I don't know if it will be effective out to 300 yards either. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 topic has been covered ad nauseum...do a search for "scope" in the rifle-technical discussion area....lots of suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 How about iron sights? They're easy to about 300 yards. With a little work 300-600 yards is no problem. Up close, irons are king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Looking at some of the other threads on this topic I leaning towards getting a Weaver 1x3x20 scope. That should do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 It all depends on what you are shooting at and how old / bad your eyes are and what division. Open ? Moderate variable ( 2 - 7x ) or stronger w/ a dot on the handguard. Tactical ? 1.5 - 6x would be my choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I shoot the Ft Benning 3 Gun every year with targets over 300 yards. My JP CTR-02 has an IOR Valdada 1.1-4 x 26 with the illuminated CQB reticle and it works great. Go to Cactus Tactical and you will see that scope and many other brands that will serve the purpose. The guys at CT are great to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 The little weaver is a more than good choice for the use you laid out. There are better scopes, there are scopes that cost more. Sometimes good enough is, well, good enough.------------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bore Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I use mostly irons, but have a Weaver 1x3 and it works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brit. Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I've got an ar15-M4 (straight pull - semi auto's are banned in the UK) I have an Acog ta01nsn on it. It is an excellent bit of kit. I shot it at 500 yards the weekend and held 9 out of the 10 shots fired in the inner scoring ring of the target. it would be perfect for what you want although the acogs are expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Since you state that you are interested in trying out 3 gun/multi gun matches, I would say your choice of a medium priced, very workable optic is right on target. The Weaver should suit your needs very well, if you do get into shooting more then you can go with higher priced optics, like aMeopta, valdada, trijicon, etc...............Or, you can put in some practice and shoot IRONS, and join a very exclusive group of shooters. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 warpspeed, I'm 38 and my eyes are fine. I will be shooting Tactical division. I like the Simmons red dot I'm using now. I shoot with both eyes open and I like the 1x (zero) magnification. I just don't know how I'd do out to 300yds with that setup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Well at 40 my eyes are trashed so I just figure so are everyone else's try http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43432 or http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56462 Some good discussion on lower cost 3-gun scopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Or, you can put in some practice and shoot IRONS, and join a very exclusive group of shooters.trapr +1 if you can read this your eyes are good enough to shoot irons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walangkatapat Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Or, you can put in some practice and shoot IRONS, and join a very exclusive group of shooters.trapr +1 if you can read this your eyes are good enough to shoot irons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Or, you can put in some practice and shoot IRONS, and join a very exclusive group of shooters.trapr +1 if you can read this your eyes are good enough to shoot irons. That is funny!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Or, you can put in some practice and shoot IRONS, and join a very exclusive group of shooters.trapr +1 if you can read this your eyes are good enough to shoot irons. And if you can't????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 And if you can't????????????????????? Then you rifle might look something like this : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcchkn Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I have the IOR/Valdada 1.5-8x26 with 35mm tube and CQB reticle. I love it and I've hit targets out to 600+ with it, but it's $1100-1500 depending on where you shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 ^^^^ Man! That's a lot of scope! Wow! Weaver also makes an illuminated reticle or circl dot scope too, that I keep trying to get people to buy on this forum so they can report back and tell me how well it works. LOL! IIRC, it's part of their Classic Extreme product line, and probably retails in the 400 something dollar range. There's the Millet with an illuminated reticle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helimech Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) warpspeed,I'm 38 and my eyes are fine. I will be shooting Tactical division. I like the Simmons red dot I'm using now. I shoot with both eyes open and I like the 1x (zero) magnification. I just don't know how I'd do out to 300yds with that setup... With the optic that you are using now, sight it in at 50 yds. This puts you dead on at 200 yds and puts you 1.5 to 2" high at 100 yds and about 4 to 6" low at 300 yds. Also inside 25 yds you will need to aim 2.5" high to offset the height of the sight above the bore of the firearm. Hope that this helps. Jim Edited March 25, 2008 by Helimech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted March 25, 2008 Author Share Posted March 25, 2008 Now THAT was the answer I was looking for!!! Thanks Helimech You da man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sinko Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I just used a Leupold 1x4 at my first multigun match and was very pleased with it. Magnification is not very important and I realized most if not all the hits could've easily been made on 1x. If I didn't plan on using the gun to shoot small rodents too I wouldn't have bothered with getting a scope. I prefer iron sights but I have only one rifle and figured 1x4 would be the most versatile, and it seems I made the right choice. I credit the FAQ section of this forum with solidifying my decision. Dave Sinko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslav Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 warpspeed,I'm 38 and my eyes are fine. I will be shooting Tactical division. I like the Simmons red dot I'm using now. I shoot with both eyes open and I like the 1x (zero) magnification. I just don't know how I'd do out to 300yds with that setup... With the optic that you are using now, sight it in at 50 yds. This puts you dead on at 200 yds and puts you 1.5 to 2" high at 100 yds and about 4 to 6" low at 300 yds. Also inside 25 yds you will need to aim 2.5" high to offset the height of the sight above the bore of the firearm. Hope that this helps. Jim +1 to the above. Does your scope have a 4 MOA dot? If so you may have an issue with the dot covering the target at longer ranges. I tried the Weaver but was not happy with it at close range. Slav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogmaDog Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 It sounds like the answer to your question isn't to go look at scopes...it's to go to the range and shoot some targets at 300 m with the Simmons. I shot my EOTech at 200 yd the other day, and hit A zones fine with it, but the eyes do have to do some things they don't normally do during pistol shooting. If you're shooting a 20" barrel and a round similar to M855, then a zero at 36 yards will also be on at 300. DogmaDog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safenate Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I'm with Helimech. I like a 50 yd zero but on an Aimpoint 2MOA. Great battery-life, easy to buy batteries, battle-proven ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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