spetrola Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I am looking at ordering 15000 or so, 9mm 124 grain somethings either FMJ or JHP and it seems like everyone is out of Zero's. Does anyone know of a good place to try? How about any other brands to try? I am more concerned about accuracy. Thanks, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Montana Gold. Switch and be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) I've used them in Open & Limited without fail. MG's are great boolits. Edited February 27, 2008 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 There was another thread on this exact subject but I understand that the search function can sometimes be a cruel mistress For me, they have been interchangeable. By that I mean comparable accuracy. IIRC, you may need a little more powder with one vs the other to make major but it was only a tenth. Try the MG's you will like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 MGB's! BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonT Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Zero's? Wasn't that a company that used to make bullets a long time ago? Sorry, I've been left high and dry one too many times. Montana gold has not let me down DonT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 MG's are great, they keep inventory too!! Only downside I see, they are VERY "proud" of their bullets in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Montana Gold! Yep, wish they hadn't gone up 30% in the last six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickpony Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Anybody try the Precision Delta products? I prefer JHP's so I doubt I'd use the PD's but they're a bit less than MGB or Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) Anybody try the Precision Delta products? I prefer JHP's so I doubt I'd use the PD's but they're a bit less than MGB or Zero. I've been using them for a few months. I haven't found a bunch of lead in the comp either. They are accurate and the price is right. I will be staying with PD. They even sent me a shirt gratis. Edited February 27, 2008 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) Anybody try the Precision Delta products? I prefer JHP's so I doubt I'd use the PD's but they're a bit less than MGB or Zero. I've been using them for a few months. I haven't found a bunch of lead in the comp either. They are accurate and the price is right. I will be staying with PD. They even sent me a shirt gratis. +1 I've put many thousands of them through my Limited and Single Stack guns (both .40) with no problems and good performance. Haven't tried them in the Open gun though. I am a little ticked that I didn't get a shirt after about 10K though I've still got a couple thousand Zero 125jhps left, but have pretty much switched over to the MG 121 IFP for my Open gun....great bullet, fast shipping and they have them in stock. Edited February 27, 2008 by G-ManBart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 MG's are great, they keep inventory too!! Only downside I see, they are VERY "proud" of their bullets in my opinion Well they are made in Montana & that is something to proud of. We love to have you come & visit but we also have a persuader against staying called snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullauto_Shooter Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 If you're looking for cheapness, Midway has a sale on 115gr FMJ pulled bullets for $24.99 per 500. $50 per thousand isn't too bad for FMJ nowadays. Probably not the optimum solution for accuracy, but should work great for practice or up close run-n-gun stages. I haven't tried them, but they have good feedback from the Midway customers who have rated them. Thinking about getting some for SMG blasting. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 good eye, I have 2000 on the way. 124 with shipping not too shabby. If the acuracy is a little subpar doesnt matter they are for the wifes gun and she's been getting too good lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinMike Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I've seen some big variances in lots of Precision Delta bullets. Last time I ordered, the bullet profile changed over previous lots. I unfortunately didn't take notice until I loaded a couple hundred rounds and found the OAL too long. Even within the same lot, I've been getting more variance in OAL than I should. I think the bullet shaping or ogive just isn't very consistent. I've also caught a number of bullets with the jacketing not being formed well at the base, creating a jagged edge sticking out. I've not had these types of problems with other bullets. I'm going to give Montanna Gold a try after I finish out my current stock. I don't mind paying a little more if it's a quality product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisStock Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) Think I'm having a brain infarction, as I can't find them there. Link, please? ETA: nevermind, found them, but limit is 3 boxes (1500) per customer. link here: Edited February 27, 2008 by Lighteye67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) Just got 20,000!!! yes count the zero's, pun intended, 9mm 115gr and 125gr JHP out of Margaret that we had on order from November. So I think now will be a good time to contact Zero direct. Edited February 28, 2008 by gm iprod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Get more active with your club so that you can make a group order. You can save more on larger orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) I've seen some big variances in lots of Precision Delta bullets. Last time I ordered, the bullet profile changed over previous lots. I unfortunately didn't take notice until I loaded a couple hundred rounds and found the OAL too long. Even within the same lot, I've been getting more variance in OAL than I should. I think the bullet shaping or ogive just isn't very consistent. I've also caught a number of bullets with the jacketing not being formed well at the base, creating a jagged edge sticking out. I've not had these types of problems with other bullets. I'm going to give Montanna Gold a try after I finish out my current stock. I don't mind paying a little more if it's a quality product. Ditto in .40. This from an order dating back two years ago. 6K bullets, three different meplats/ogives, and, what was worse, mixed together in the same boxes. I'm guessing that there is some variation in their tooling. Too bad they weren't/aren't segregating their production runs. I don't mind some variation, but it's gotta be predictable. I still have most of the 6K. They'll eventually go down range as downloaded practice ammo. MG, on the other hand, is dead nuts on consistent for both the .40 and 9mm JHP's I've ordered on multiple occasions. Edited March 1, 2008 by kevin c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinMike Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I loaded some .40 with my current Precision Delta stock last night. Out of the same box, I'm getting about .008" OAL variance and it ain't my press. I cranked the shell plate down as tight as possible and still have it move. Same brass type. It's the bullets. If I look closely, there are subtle differences. The flat point is wider on some, slightly different ogive. Every now and then one has a base with a funked up jacket. I'm seating to 1.130" now, which has kept me at or under 1.135", but some have ended up down to 1.127" I shoot a Glock 24 and a minimal charge of Power Pistol to make major, so I at least feel safe. No more PD after these though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I loaded some .40 with my current Precision Delta stock last night. Out of the same box, I'm getting about .008" OAL variance and it ain't my press. I cranked the shell plate down as tight as possible and still have it move. Same brass type. It's the bullets. If I look closely, there are subtle differences. The flat point is wider on some, slightly different ogive. Every now and then one has a base with a funked up jacket. I'm seating to 1.130" now, which has kept me at or under 1.135", but some have ended up down to 1.127" I shoot a Glock 24 and a minimal charge of Power Pistol to make major, so I at least feel safe. No more PD after these though! I see about 8 too, but it bothers nothing and accuracy is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinMike Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 (edited) I see about 8 too, but it bothers nothing and accuracy is fine. That depends. I was previously loading to 1.135" and was ending up with some rounds over 1.140" in my Glock. I'd been having some weird intermitent jams and I'm wondering if maybe some of the rounds were dragging the mag. I realized that the problems started happening about the time I started loading out of my latest batch of PDs. I'll see if my gun runs today now that I've seated further in and backed the powder drop down a bit. I'm wondering if the wide seating range might cause problems for guys running fast powders? I'm no expert though, I just know that I've never seen inconsistencies in bullet shape like this before within the same box. I expect a little variation in OAL due to natural "slop" in the press, but in 15 or so years of reloading I've never seen this much. Edit to add: I'm not trying to bad-mouth PD, just passing on my experience. I shot about 4000 of their .40s last year and I've been shooting their 9mms without any trouble. The problem may be recent, as it only popped up in my last order. So if you buy just be sure to check your batch carefully and check OAL frequently. I've also had about one in a hundred or so have a crunched jacket at the base and have to toss the bullet. YMMV Edited March 1, 2008 by AustinMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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