oregonshooter Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) I did a quick word search of the handbook pdf and did not get any hits. Is there a rule that would make a suppressed AR illegal at a match? Edited November 10, 2007 by oregonshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Only in Open Division Edited to fix my idiocy..... I typed not when I meant only.....my bad, sorry for the flawed info on the first try. Edited November 10, 2007 by smokshwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I am pretty sure it is an automatic bump to open, but they are legal and have seen them used before. Just make sure you do the proper paperwork if you are crossing state lines with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonshooter Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 They are also legal in tactical and limited per M. Voight when I asked him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Loves2shoot - I wonder if he would put that in writing. I am curious because they do not meet the size restrictions in tactical for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Loves2shoot - I wonder if he would put that in writing. I am curious because they do not meet the size restrictions in tactical for the most part. He said since the suppressor isn't classified as a compensator the size restriction does not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I wonder if he would put that in writing. Go here. http://www.uspsa.org/rules/Interpretations...tigun_rules.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonshooter Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 That's great news! Thanks for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Supressors have their uses, but why would you want one in a match? The extra length might be a liability. Plus you would be the only one with one so the noise reduction is kinda pointless. I might be missing something here but I just don't see a reason. Well there is the cool factor to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Some people like to shoot matches with their working gear. As long as they're having a good time, I prefer not to judge their motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 limited gun .308 with silencer, reduced recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Some people like to shoot matches with their working gear. As long as they're having a good time, I prefer not to judge their motives. I'm not judging, just wondering why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Saving your hearing is always a good thing. I need to get a HALO one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 It's been addressed by USPSA. It hasn't been officially addressed by the various IMGA matches. You would have to ask the MD of the IMGA match you may be going to for a clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I have a Gem-tech on my M4 commando. I my opinion they are highly overated. Very heavy, slows the swing, fouls after about 200 shots and gets so hot it will take your skin off after about 50 rounds. A small comp is much more effective and handy. Incidently I had a HALO also and it never stayed tight and changed my point of impact 6 MOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topmaul Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Why would you want a suppressor on a competition gun? I am trying to make my gun lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 For the suppressor to work correctly...your ammo has to be subsonic. At high velocity you hear the sonic crack They are cool and fun to use ...but I think it would just hurt you in a match. They are VERY cool on subguns Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Saving your hearing is always a good thing. I need to get a HALO one of these days. WHAT!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyH Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 In the past someone used one & there were several reshoots while using it. The timer was not picking up his last shots. This would be the real reason not to use one, slows the stage down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 We have a couple of guys who use them on pistols during our .22 steel match and the timer is completely incapable of picking up the shots. As a result the guy on the clock has to thump it to stop the time. Well I suffer from slooow reaction times (a good trait for a shooter huh?! ) so I hate running those guys because I feel like I am ripping them off on the timer. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 On rifles they take the bite out of the report and you can shoot without hearing protection. You do still hear the sonic crack, but it isn't hard on the ears really. If you do have someone shooting with a suppressor on an AR you need the clock right next to the ejection port, it will register the noise of the bolt cycling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzworm Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I sometimes use one on a 16" for local matches. (one on a 20" is way front heavy, and very slow) A tad slower on the swing, but not bad. If you sight your rifle in with the can before hand, you don't have to worry about changing POI. Always easier on the ears, but the timer does need to be held near the port or outstretched toward the muzzle. I find it works VERY well as a comp, as my crosshairs don't move and follow up/double taps are amazingly fast. You do get the sonic crack with a rifle, but as SR said, it does take the bite out of the report. Reasons? Noise pollution, less hearing loss, fun. Also, no 5320.20 needed to transport cans (or AOWs), but make sure they are legal where you are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotm4 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I am pretty sure it is an automatic bump to open, but they are legal and have seen them used before. Just make sure you do the proper paperwork if you are crossing state lines with one. Suppressors don't require the Federal form 5320.20 like machineguns, SBRs, SBSs and AOWs do. But they need to be legal in the state you'll be taking it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Interesting. Per M. Voigt at http://www.uspsa.org/rules/Interpretations...igun_rules.pdf: "Any suppressor which has functional characteristics which serve to reduce muzzle-flip and/or felt recoil (e.g., externally-visible baffles or ports) will be considered a compensator." Any silencer has baffles. That's what makes them work. That they don't vent to the outside like a comp or brake doesn't make them not effective. There are a number of shorter models that don't add that much weight or length. Seems like a good way to get an effective, legal "big" brake on a limited rifle. Now if I just lived in a state where I could bring my quiet toys along. Mine all have to live in another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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