gemcityshooter Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Does anyone have a good height for a Cooper Tunnel? I will be making one and was thinking of 4-1/2 ft high. Just low enough to make people duck, but not need to crawl. I have some older shooters that wouldn't appreciate needing to crouchdown. 4-1/2 feet seem ok? Maybe 4ft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 (edited) I prefer cooper tunnels that are 6' high Edited August 29, 2007 by Alan Meek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 With respect for the Colonel, the tunnels should be at least the same height as him. I believe he was about 6'8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Metal Only Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The IPSC handbook says2.2.5 Cooper Tunnels can be any height. Don't worry any height will bring complaint. You should make them all crawl under a 2 foot high tunnel, then they will all be mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I just found the Cooper Tunnel website: http://www.charlestonwater.com/about_capit...nnel_cooper.htm They look fairly large... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The IPSC handbook says2.2.5 Cooper Tunnels can be any height. Don't worry any height will bring complaint. You should make them all crawl under a 2 foot high tunnel, then they will all be mad. I built one two years ago at the Indiana State match and I had it set at 57" high I think. Just enough for most people to have to duck. Only one shooter knocked any of the overhead boards down. Most shooters were greatly relieved when they saw it. Cooper Tunnels instill in anyone who knows what they are. I think they should be high enough for big people to not be completely handicapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 One of those things that short people like, taller people hate.. lol At 5' 7" we have people that wouldn't even have to slow down from a full run. We'll have to come up with ways to handicap the vertcally challenged folks the same amount on another stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Actually for vertical challenge equity on a stage where you feel the misconceived need to use a cooper tunnel there should also be a comparitve challenge for those that are vertically challenged on the same stage. Kind of a high and low challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Taylor Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Does anyone have a good height for a Cooper Tunnel? I will be making one and was thinking of 4-1/2 ft high. Just low enough to make people duck, but not need to crawl. I have some older shooters that wouldn't appreciate needing to crouchdown. 4-1/2 feet seem ok? Maybe 4ft? 4 feet is good. Uncomfortable, but not impossible. I use 4' X 8' panels with sticks across the top. Best regards, Jim Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What happened to reality...the Cooper Tunnel in the Cooper Assault was 2' high...get your big A** on the ground and crawl... Guess the new ones are more politically correct.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineshootah Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Does anyone have a good height for a Cooper Tunnel? I will be making one and was thinking of 4-1/2 ft high. Just low enough to make people duck, but not need to crawl. I have some older shooters that wouldn't appreciate needing to crouchdown. 4-1/2 feet seem ok? Maybe 4ft? 4 feet is good. Uncomfortable, but not impossible. I use 4' X 8' panels with sticks across the top. Best regards, Jim Taylor Let me guess.. you are shorter that 6'4". 4'? UG! We had one of these at the AWARE/AREA7. I think it was closer to 5'. They are a fun twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What happened to reality...the Cooper Tunnel in the Cooper Assault was 2' high...get your big A** on the ground and crawl...Guess the new ones are more politically correct.... This is actually more fair... force everyone to low crawl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What happened to reality...the Cooper Tunnel in the Cooper Assault was 2' high...get your big A** on the ground and crawl...Guess the new ones are more politically correct.... Yeah, buddy. What he said. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What happened to reality...the Cooper Tunnel in the Cooper Assault was 2' high...get your big A** on the ground and crawl...Guess the new ones are more politically correct.... Yeah, buddy. What he said. Troy Just another example of "...we can't do that because the shooters with "space" holsters might loose their pistols in the tunnel and be DQ'ed...not to mention having to draw weakhanded after exiting the tunnel at the portal..." Lame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What if someone's big ass won't fit into a two foot space. I could name some names, but won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What if someone's big ass won't fit into a two foot space. I could name some names, but won't. Tough beans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemcityshooter Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 Easy kids! Don't make me turn this forum around and head home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 (edited) Easy kids! Don't make me turn this forum around and head home! Just saying that the real Cooper tunnel is 2'Hx4'wx8'l not this 4' high stuff... Edited August 29, 2007 by tightloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Taylor Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Does anyone have a good height for a Cooper Tunnel? I will be making one and was thinking of 4-1/2 ft high. Just low enough to make people duck, but not need to crawl. I have some older shooters that wouldn't appreciate needing to crouchdown. 4-1/2 feet seem ok? Maybe 4ft? Here is a link to the SketchUp Model. Cooper Tunnel Best regards, Jim Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 My favorite thing to do with Cooper Tunnels as a stage designer is to include ports in the walls that shooters need to shoot through to engage targets. I usually use a 4' high tunnel. That is enough to cause consternation and create a challenge...especially if the ports are lowwwwwww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajarrel Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 (edited) My favorite thing to do with Cooper Tunnels as a stage designer is to include ports in the walls that shooters need to shoot through to engage targets. I usually use a 4' high tunnel. That is enough to cause consternation and create a challenge...especially if the ports are lowwwwwww. The 2006 GA state match had low ports, like on the ground, in a cooper tunnel. Most people were finishing up there so the big challenge was getting down to the port w/o sweeping yourself. IIRC, it was about 4 ft high. I wouldn't have any objection to a cooper tunnel at 2 feet high. At least everyone would have to crawl or squirm through it and some of the really short people wouldn't run through it. FWIW dj edited for spellin Edited September 1, 2007 by dajarrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer-lock Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I have done “real” Cooper tunnels but that was a looooog time ago. My biggest worry then was keeping my new Ernie Hill FastTrak rig out of the gravel. Although I am a bunch lighter now I am not really “smaller” where it counts. On my hands and knees my back is at 29”, in a plank position I am still nearly 20”, so a two foot tunnel is a “crawl on your belly like a rep=i=tile” trip for me. I don’t worry any about the gun falling out but I do have some concerns about where the muzzle is pointing. I don’t give a hoot about “PC” but I think the real reason we abandoned the really low height was the safety issue. A middling tunnel with shooting points keeps the gun where it belongs and presents plenty of challenge for shooters of all shapes and sizes. David C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 The condition of a lot of our knees is why I wouldn't shoot a match with a 2' high CT. That's the only thing that would make me turn around and go home. Surgery is expensive, especially for no reason in a sport that is supposed to be about shooting challenges, not obstacle courses. Driving away shooters isn't good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 seems like obstacle and port builders allways penalize taller people, I can only remember one and only one obstacle that penalized short people, I wouldnt care much one way or the other as long as the prop height advantages or disadvantages were spread out. Course I guess I need to quit complaining, as another thing I have never herd or seen was the comment, "NO you cant help build the stage or design a COF" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I'm with you, Joe, but don't try it. I set up a stage for Area 6 two years ago that 'favored' taller shooters in one spot, and a couple of the Little Folk threatened to arbitrate and have the stage thrown out. I don't know it they would have won the arb, but the mess it would have caused just wasn't worth it. We modified the stage to ensure it wouldn't get tossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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