Shooter Grrl Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 I liked this stage - lots of different ways to shoot it. Course description was simply "engage them as they become visible from behind fault line" You could clearly see all the targets from the box without shifting or any movement. So how would YOU shoot this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 SG, no picture. I was able to open it. I had to copy the path and open it in another window. What are the distances? The picture doesn't give any depth. Are the two rows of targets high and low? Are some obscured by barrels? The back/top row of targets looks like they are not covered up by the barrels. If that is the case, I would go left-to-right on the bottom row (16 rounds), reload, then take the back row (16 rounds) By the way...32 rounds from one shooting position??? Was this an East Huntington stage? (Edited by Flexmoney at 5:43 am on Jan. 21, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 21, 2002 Author Share Posted January 21, 2002 Drats - the picture WAS there!!!! I'll email to Brian to see if he can fix it :-) Flex, the distance was about 15 feet from the front of the box and about 7 feet from the tape. You did not have to stay in the box. In fact, most of the limited shooters went to the fault line (shooting on the move - and then did some shifting while up there) (Edited by Shooter Grrl at 7:31 am on Jan. 21, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grassy knoll Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 (Edited by grassy knoll at 2:14 am on Jan. 23, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Left to right on the bottom, magazine change then left to right on the top. If I could see them all from five yards, but not see them all from 7 feet, I don't thinbk I would move. Have to be there to tell for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 21, 2002 Author Share Posted January 21, 2002 I shot it Bottom - right to left Reload, top left to right 13.7 seconds, down 2 The top shooters all shot it as 4 separate arrays with the reload between the middle arryas for both open & limited (Edited by Shooter Grrl at 10:03 am on Jan. 21, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 There must be quite a bit of lateral seperation between the target arrays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 If there's a lot of space between arrays, I might see an advantage to shooting it as four different arrays. Then again, I can usually shoot smoother if I'm moving in one consistent direction ---- be that left to right or right to left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 22, 2002 Author Share Posted January 22, 2002 The picture is pretty much to scale. There wasn't a huge space between the arrays. And I got it to work - woooohooooo :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 You could clearly see all the targets from the box Now I'm glad I don't shoot at that club. Unless the box is far away, it looks like a simple stand and shoot. Take a few steps as you reload. Actually, it seems so close that getting closer would only cause trouble; you can see more with better angles farther back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 It's hard to say without seeing the actual course. I would think the trick to thios stage is to seeing all the targets with the LEAST amount of movement. I would approach it like: Can I see every target from one position? NO? How'bout two? NO? Three? YES! Next step: look at rocks or other "markers" at the those three positions only! Program my brain, put my game face on, and hit my reload smoothly. I'm curious SG, what was the best Limited time? I was guessing a "current" Master could navigate it in about 9 sec? God I miss shooting, I haven't been to a match since Dec 12th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted January 22, 2002 Share Posted January 22, 2002 Not that it really matters, and, I'd have to see it to be sure - but how about this kooky order? First target - top left; left to right, 6 targets across the bottom. Reload. Bottom target at third barrel; 5 targets across the top, then bottom two, right to left. Now I know I went "down" a couple times, but it might make up for bigger transitions. ? be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 22, 2002 Author Share Posted January 22, 2002 TDean, THE fastest time was with a limited gun in the high 9's. The other top dawgs were in the 10's and 11's. Also, you could see the targets from the box, no movement whatsoever was required, but as I said earlier, some of the Limited shooters moved forward a bit. David did circles, bottom to top, Nolan did some sort of "figure 8". They were both at 10 1/2. I like Brian's order - damn, wish you were at that match with me :-) I was concerned about the "double" transitions, but like Nik, knew that I'd get better hits going in a straight line, as I'd be less likely to "drive through" a target. Did I mention I won my class because I shot this one so well :-) The other C Class shooters ALL had misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 Sheez, I'm sorry ShooterGrrl. I didn't read carefully enough..... I would definately stay in the box then! I'd shoot all the bottom ones R-L.....reload ..shoot all the top ones R-L....in 7 seconds with one Mike! Doohhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 I shot it really, really, really fast! Well, ok fast for me. 10.8 seconds down 9 points with the limited gun and 9.3 seconds down 15 with the open blaster. I shot basically left to right starting with the lower targets moving up to the upper target in groups of 4, then reloaded after the 8th target and so on. I thought this pattern gave the shortest transitions. Just stood flat footed and didn't budge. Keep it simple stoopid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Quote: from Erik Warren on 11:16 am on Jan. 22, 2002 Now I'm glad I don't shoot at that club. Careful Erik, you're developing that Richmond attitude of looking down at other clubs. I've shot at Richmond since 1988 and that sort of attitude has been prevalent the entire time. If another club doesn't put on the same type of match as Richmond they are snubbed as amateurs, ie TASC, Oakdale, etc... Maybe that's part of why Oakdale had 93 guns vs the 30? at Richmond. Sorry for the offtopic rant. By the way I finally got my 2000 Overall Championship buckle from Richmond. I found it in the trophy box by accident today while looking for last months plaque. I guess it would have been expecting too much to be notified that they had FINALLY arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevepitt Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Umm, I hate to point this out, but unless I'm missreading your post, you missed a target, Brian. (probably bad etiquette to point out an error, but I'm trying to understand his order, really Where did you get the target on top of the barrel, second from left? Steve Pitt p.s.- we had a shoot similar to this in Colorado awhile back, but all steel. EVERY piece of steel had noshoots behind it. Poppers, US Poppers, and plates, all about 15 yds-20 yds. I shot it as arrays, another shot it bottom, left to right, then top, right to left. .06 seconds difference in total times. (we both shot open). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 How would you L-10 shooters shoot this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Whew...flex, i don't think our EH folks would do that one, though the round count is about right! As for a lowly production shooter, glad i carry four mags as i'd be relaoding between arrays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted August 8, 2002 Author Share Posted August 8, 2002 How would you L-10 shooters shoot this one? If I remember correctly - the L10 guys moved up to the forward fault line and did it as separate arrays of 4 targets each while moving across the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Ya know SG, with 7 months of retrospect, after seeing the actual bay that this one was in, I'd be inclined to skip the stage and just shoot the course designer. This is a pretty brazen case of using target clusters to pump up the round count. A course using about 1/3 of those targets would be appropriate to the real estate available. It really should be a 12-14 round course with one mandatory reload (just to take care of the Limited and Open shooters). My $.02, E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 That's what I thought Shooter Grrl, there's not much of a choice for a L-10 Shooter. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sincityshooter Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Definitely stay in the box. 5 yards is damn close on an open target and if you can see all of them it's not worth getting any closer. Your splits shouldn't change much at 7 feet, but there's more gun movement target to target, so those splits will increase. Check this out: If this stage was set-up at 15 yards from the box and 7 yards from the tape, I would definitely draw on the move, engage the first target before slowing down and then I would expect to have splits at or around .16. On a 15 yard target I'm looking at splits around .20. That's a pretty lame stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 I agree with sincityshooter, pretty lame, but the bottom line is you shot it well, now pray you don't have to see it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noname Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 This stage design is typical, unimaginative, and boring IPSC garbage. Besides it is illegal (more than 8 rounds from a shooting position). No doubt designed by a highcap shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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