.30 Super Carry? I don't get it. Does anybody load for this?

[ysrracer]

.30 Super Carry? I don't get it. Does anybody load for this?

 

I saw it in a store, and the guy told me there's only two pistols made for this round. 

 

Why would a company develop, manufacture, and market a round with such limited usage?

[Matt1911]

Boredom? I don’t know. Glock did something similar with the 45 GAP a few years back and it had a cult following for a short time because of the Glock fanboys, but never really got past that and has died out to the land of obscurity. 

[Joe4d]

make me a N frame 10 shot with moon clips for ICORE,,,,  

But just like the 6.5 creedmore which isnt any different than a 260, or alot of other rounds that predate it.
 the business model is to convince existing gun owners to buy more guns.. To do that you have to convince them something is better, and newest latest greatest.  
Meanwhile most of us are still shooting 100 year old designs and calibers.

[gng4life]

I wonder how the ballistic tests have faired? I can see it's smaller in diameter so that means more rounds in magazines so it will attract the "I need more rounds" people. 

[Matt1911]

51 minutes ago, gng4life said:

I wonder how the ballistic tests have faired? I can see it's smaller in diameter so that means more rounds in magazines so it will attract the "I need more rounds" people. 

That’s basically how they’ve been marketing it. Holds more rounds in the tiny sized carry guns. 
800-1000 fps using 100 grain bullet, so slower and lighter than 9mm. 

[ysrracer]

1 minute ago, Matt1911 said:

That’s basically how they’ve been marketing it. Holds more rounds in the tiny sized carry guns. 
800-1000 fps using 100 grain bullet, so slower and lighter than 9mm. 

 

The ammo I saw was a 100gr bullet going 1250fps.

[Matt1911]

22 minutes ago, ysrracer said:

 

The ammo I saw was a 100gr bullet going 1250fps.

Ok. Maybe a little spicier than I remember seeing then. 

[ysrracer]

1 minute ago, Matt1911 said:

Ok. Maybe a little spicier than I remember seeing then. 

 

I think the recoil would be more than a .380 but less than a 9mm.

[Matt1911]

21 minutes ago, ysrracer said:

 

I think the recoil would be more than a .380 but less than a 9mm.

It may be an excellent round, but it’s going to take a helluva lot to knock the 9mm off the top of the pyramid for a carry round. 
Competition wise, it would be interesting to see how many more rounds could fit in a 140 mag. 
It wouldn’t take too much to get it into minor PF. 

[Farmer]

I was hoping it would take off so they would produce more selections of 32 cal bullets that I could use in my 327.  It’s supposed to be right on the heels of a 9mm with less recoil but you know how that works. As far as competition 9mm is the minimum correct?? Would need another category for 32. Don’t know how it would work for SC though. 

[ysrracer]

13 minutes ago, Farmer said:

I was hoping it would take off so they would produce more selections of 32 cal bullets that I could use in my 327.  It’s supposed to be right on the heels of a 9mm with less recoil but you know how that works. As far as competition 9mm is the minimum correct?? Would need another category for 32. Don’t know how it would work for SC though. 

 

I'm waiting for .356 TSW to make a comeback

[RJH]

Yes, got to have 9 mm in USPSA competition. 

 

From the videos I've seen recoil between it and 9 mm in the same guns was basically identical. I have not shot one though. I think the only real advantage was supposed to be two more rounds in your Smith & Wesson shield.

[IVC]

30 Super Carry was designed to increase carry capacity and it's the only reason and purpose for the round. For reloading, it will be worse than 38 Super/Super Comp brass situation. Talking about "range chickens..." 

[Guy Neill]

Besides the 356 TSW, there was the 9x23 Winchester. Historically there have been others like the 5mm Remington rimfire magnum, the 41 AE and 9mm AE, 25 NAA, 9mm Win Mag, 45 Win Mag, 32 NAA, and others.

 

Many attempts to get new stuff going, some take off, others do not. I would have liked to see the 356 TSW and 98x23 Win do better than they did.

[IVC]

The round won't replace 9mm for compacts, there is enough capacity with 9mm. But it might become a viable niche with the sub-compacts and pocket guns as an alternative to the mouse guns. Locked breech instead of blowback, meaningful capacity and extremely small form factor could be very enticing for pocket carry or warmer climates. 

[ysrracer]

I'd like a 10 shot .30 super revolver !

[zzt]

There are more than two guns chambered for 30 super carry.  While researching for a friend, I saw at least five.  Personally, I think it will catch on.

 

You do get two more rounds in a micro.  That could be meaningful for someone wanting a single stack for concealability.  It is midway between 380 in recoil and energy.  It may bump many up from 380.

 

I have a friend with semi-crippled hands.  She absolutely cannot rack her husband's Glock 9mm slide.  I suggested she try a Shield 2.0 EZ in 380.  She loved it.  Easy to rack.  Very mild recoil.  Accurate.  "Someone" thinks a 380 may not have enough stopping power and thinks she should go to 9mm.  I disagree.  Racking the slide on an EZ 9mm is harder than 380.  She tried it once and said it was uncomfortable.  I'll have her try it again and see.  Also, I would most definitely not want to get hit with a 380 HST, or Honey badger, or V-Tip.  Ouch!  Although my EDC (which I don't carry) is 9mm, I'd worry about over penetration if I did carry it.  I'd rather have a 380 or 30 SC that only penetrated 12~14".  You do have to worry about where that round will go when it goes through someone.

 

The Shield 2.0 EZ is available in 30SC.  I'll have her try it.  The extra energy over 380 may cause hubby (who is not a shooter) to drop his 9mm push.

[Joe4d]

5 hours ago, IVC said:

30 Super Carry was designed to increase carry capacity and it's the only reason and purpose for the round. For reloading, it will be worse than 38 Super/Super Comp brass situation. Talking about "range chickens..." 

nope be easy peasy,  in moonclips,,  a 10 shot would be legal for ICORE

 

[zzt]

5 hours ago, ysrracer said:

I'd like a 10 shot .30 super revolver !

 

If someone made that I'd definitely consider for Steel Challenge.  What's another Division to shoot?  Uh, upon reflection, no.  I already load way too many calibers and variants.  Never mind.

[Joe4d]

can u shoot 32 in steel challenge ?

[Matt1911]

1 hour ago, Joe4d said:

can u shoot 32 in steel challenge ?

I don’t see why not. Rimfire is allowed and there’s no PF for centerfire. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Matt1911

[Joe4d]

33 minutes ago, Matt1911 said:

I don’t see why not. Rimfire is allowed and there’s no PF for centerfire. 

.354 minimum for some reason,,,  as you mentioned no PF so why does it matter ?

[Farmer]

As far as recoil difference there’s a fair amount of difference between a 38 158 @ 650 and a 327 FM 100g @ 1400fps. The 32 feels like a stiff 22 mag. There’s more shock from the discharge than actual recoil. 

[chevrofreak]

We bought a S&W Shield plus in .30 Super Carry and we like it quite a bit. 17+1 rounds of capacity in that tiny gun is impressive.

 

I bought a ton of pulled bullets from AR, and a case of Blazer Brass to keep me in cases for a while.  I have a bunch of Longshot on hand for 10mm, which is the powder that gives the highest velocities according to Hodgdon. 

 

I think a SMG chambered for this cartridge would be superb. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by chevrofreak

[shred]

23 hours ago, chevrofreak said:

I think a SMG chambered for this cartridge would be superb. 

there already is one  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAS-38

7.65 French longue and .30 Pedersen are quite close to 30SC.