CHuynh Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Hey folks, I am unfortunately in California and am in the mercy of its handgun roster. I've always wanted a Cz, and after shooting Glocks for a few years I want to start looking for A CZ for Carry Optics or Limited Optics. Would y'all folks recommend to buy a SP-01 and have it worked on by CGW or fork out the off-roster tax for a Shadow 2 (some folks selling a Shadow 2 OR for $3-4K), which would significantly increase the costs after getting work done on it compared to a Sp-01. My CO gun right now is a Glock 17 Gen 3 with a Timney trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouperMan Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CHuynh said: Hey folks, I am unfortunately in California and am in the mercy of its handgun roster. I've always wanted a Cz, and after shooting Glocks for a few years I want to start looking for A CZ for Carry Optics or Limited Optics. Would y'all folks recommend to buy a SP-01 and have it worked on by CGW or fork out the off-roster tax for a Shadow 2 (some folks selling a Shadow 2 OR for $3-4K), which would significantly increase the costs after getting work done on it compared to a Sp-01. My CO gun right now is a Glock 17 Gen 3 with a Timney trigger. That’s a tough decision. If you are ok with it, get a SP-01 as a stepping stone to your future Carry Optic gun…and hopefully the stupid roster will go away by then. Doing some rough estimates, a stock SP-01 retails for about $800. You can cheap out for the time being and get a optic adapter plate (dovetail) for about $50-70 or milling services for about $200-300, a carry optic (if you don’t already have one), and a Cajun Gun Works Package/Tuning kit for say $300 (easy to DIY) and you are in the ball park of about $1600-1900. Or, you get a California Markup Shadow 2 Optics Ready for $3k+. What ever you choose, factor $250-400 for a belt, mag pouch, and holster system for each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuynh Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, SouperMan said: That’s a tough decision. If you are ok with it, get a SP-01 as a stepping stone to your future Carry Optic gun…and hopefully the stupid roster will go away by then. Doing some rough estimates, a stock SP-01 retails for about $800. You can cheap out for the time being and get a optic adapter plate (dovetail) for about $50-70 or milling services for about $200-300, a carry optic (if you don’t already have one), and a Cajun Gun Works Package/Tuning kit for say $300 (easy to DIY) and you are in the ball park of about $1600-1900. Or, you get a California Markup Shadow 2 Optics Ready for $3k+. What ever you choose, factor $250-400 for a belt, mag pouch, and holster system for each. I appreciate the response! I would only need a new holster, as I already have belt set up for USPSA. Pretty big step up in price isn't it? Especially knowing I could get the sp-01 optic and trigger/internals ready for almost half of what it would cost to get a Shadow 2 w/ internal work done. In free states, im sure the price difference between the sp-01 is worth it. But is the Shadow 2 worth 2x in this scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CHuynh said: I appreciate the response! I would only need a new holster, as I already have belt set up for USPSA. Pretty big step up in price isn't it? Especially knowing I could get the sp-01 optic and trigger/internals ready for almost half of what it would cost to get a Shadow 2 w/ internal work done. In free states, im sure the price difference between the sp-01 is worth it. But is the Shadow 2 worth 2x in this scenario? Do the SP-01 to start. Other than a longer reset due to the FP safety, the triggers are excellent. You can ad weight if that is important to you. Shoot that gun until you are absolutely sure, the gun is holding you back* and the get whatever shadow is hot then and keep the SP-01 for a backup Good Luck! Chuck * this may take a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuynh Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, ChuckS said: Do the SP-01 to start. Other than a longer reset due to the FP safety, the triggers are excellent. You can ad weight if that is important to you. Shoot that gun until you are absolutely sure, the gun is holding you back* and the get whatever shadow is hot then and keep the SP-01 for a backup Good Luck! Chuck * this may take a long time Thanks Chuck. Unfortunately I don't have anyone around me with a Shadow 2 and sp-01 to hold and compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunachaser Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I compete in USPAS with both the SP-01 and the S2, the difference for me is very little. If and when you get to be a M or GM then the equipment may make a noticeable difference...IMHO. An SP-01 with a trigger job is an excellent choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvDog Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I shoot both an SP01 Shadow and Shadow 2. I like the look and feel of the Shadow 2, but the timer says I’m faster with the SP01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramnj Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) I have both the SP01 Shadow and the Shadow 2 but I prefer the SP01. Locally we have a USPSA shooter that uses exclusively the SP01 and has achieved GM in CO and many other divisions shooting his SP01, while we have another GM that shoots a Shadow 2. Unfortunately you don't have that choice. The SP01 with LOK brass grips and CGW guts is a great competition gun. Edited January 22, 2023 by ramnj Font size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertTortoise Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I would not pay off-roster prices for a shadow 2 if you can get an SP01 at normal retail price. My SP01 with cajun parts and home polish job is 5.5 double action / 2.5 single action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 10:54 AM, ramnj said: I have both the SP01 Shadow and the Shadow 2 but I prefer the SP01. Locally we have a USPSA shooter that uses exclusively the SP01 and has achieved GM in CO and many other divisions shooting his SP01, while we have another GM that shoots a Shadow 2. Unfortunately you don't have that choice. The SP01 with LOK brass grips and CGW guts is a great competition gun. CO Production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 8:12 PM, CHuynh said: Hey folks, I am unfortunately in California and am in the mercy of its handgun roster. I've always wanted a Cz, and after shooting Glocks for a few years I want to start looking for A CZ for Carry Optics or Limited Optics. Would y'all folks recommend to buy a SP-01 and have it worked on by CGW or fork out the off-roster tax for a Shadow 2 (some folks selling a Shadow 2 OR for $3-4K), which would significantly increase the costs after getting work done on it compared to a Sp-01. My CO gun right now is a Glock 17 Gen 3 with a Timney trigger. Really just get a used SP-01 (should be in the $600 range). Get it milled for $240 at Primary Machine which includes refinishing. Don't spend the whole $300 for the complete CGW Pro package. First deburr and polish every part of the action that rubs or pushes against something else. Then add the SRS-2 Short Reset System ($72), a few CGW trigger return springs ($7) and a CGW floating trigger pin ($13). The SRS comes with two hammer springs. Start with the black one (11.5 lbs) and only use the blue 13 lb spring if you have any primer ignition issues not caused by not seating them right. You'll be about 90% of the way to a Shadow for about $1000 not including the optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuynh Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: Really just get a used SP-01 (should be in the $600 range). Get it milled for $240 at Primary Machine which includes refinishing. Don't spend the whole $300 for the complete CGW Pro package. First deburr and polish every part of the action that rubs or pushes against something else. Then add the SRS-2 Short Reset System ($72), a few CGW trigger return springs ($7) and a CGW floating trigger pin ($13). The SRS comes with two hammer springs. Start with the black one (11.5 lbs) and only use the blue 13 lb spring if you have any primer ignition issues not caused by not seating them right. You'll be about 90% of the way to a Shadow for about $1000 not including the optic. Thank you for the advice sir! If that's you shooting in those videos, very nice!! I'll be looking on the market for a used SP-01! If I can get it close to a Shadow 2 for less than half, I think the rest should be spent on ammo and training and would go much further in terms of results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, CHuynh said: Thank you for the advice sir! You're welcome. I gave you that advice based on my experience tuning a 75BD to make it as good as I can for the least amount of money. 14 minutes ago, CHuynh said: If that's you shooting in those videos, very nice!! Oh no way that's me. I wish. That's the guy that the gentleman from NJ was referring to. The shooter in the videos is Matt Hemple and he's a force to be reckoned with. Just put it there for you to see what can be done with a tuned up Shadow 1 or SP-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The grip shape of the SP01 and S2 are different but even in my large hands, my SP01 feels good, just different from my S2. My SP01 has CGW pro package I installed, black mainspring, yellow recoil spring. Runs great, just loctite the safety adjustment screw and maintain the trigger shoe adjustment screws. And get the safety version, not the decocker (tactical) version, but that is just my opinion. The short reset in an SP01 is one thing, but the reduced reach and old style trigger is also a nice feature I would recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasthenk65 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/22/2023 at 5:51 PM, Johnny_Chimpo said: CO Production NICE shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Fasthenk65 said: NICE shooting! Very nice, but that is not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 hours ago, broadside72 said: And get the safety version, not the decocker (tactical) version, but that is just my opinion. The decocker has no impact on trigger quality. Just on how difficult it is to put the gun back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: The decocker has no impact on trigger quality. Just on how difficult it is to put the gun back together. I mentioned nothing about the trigger quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, broadside72 said: I mentioned nothing about the trigger quality I did because it's often mentioned, by those who don't know, that it impacts trigger quality. It was for the OP's benefit. Edited January 23, 2023 by Johnny_Chimpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I’ve had both the fully tuned SP01 and a Shadow 2, I can honestly tell you I much prefer the S2. I sold off my SP01’s and Bull Shadows to buy the S2. Having paid the off roster price for the S2 it’s expensive (buy once cry once) but fits me me much better, but I’ve recently made a platform switch so my S2 is now gathering dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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