Problem with amby safetiy and new grips

[Alternator]

Hello all,

I bought my first gun and i choose bul armory trophy 1911.

 

Changed grips and magwell for competition purposes. Went on the match and in a middle of it I had a problem.

It has amby safeties and one from a right side fell of from the frame...

 

I am begginer so from my stand point I checked and noticed that the grip from right side dont cover thum safety when it is on locked function. I thzught that somenthing elese inside is holding it in place but I dont think so. Left one operzte fully and safety works as it should.

 

I want to keep this Tony System magwell amd grips they look awsome and Im just wondering how to solve this right safety problem.

Any sudgesstiin is helpfull. 

Thanks i  advance!

[raz-0]

The right side grip should have a relief cut and there should be a tab on the right hand side of the ambi safety that fits under that. That tab being under the grip is what keep the right side lever form falling out.  Those grips appear to all have the cut on their website. So they should work. From their website, the bul safety seems like the tab might be on the short side compared to looking at a springfield or S&W, and the tonisystems grips look like they relieve that cut a bit compared to other grips, so you might have tolerance stacking between the two parts causing issues. If that's the case, it means either new grips or a new safety. A new safety would need to be fitted. 

 

 

[Alternator]

1 hour ago, raz-0 said:

The right side grip should have a relief cut and there should be a tab on the right hand side of the ambi safety that fits under that. That tab being under the grip is what keep the right side lever form falling out.  Those grips appear to all have the cut on their website. So they should work. From their website, the bul safety seems like the tab might be on the short side compared to looking at a springfield or S&W, and the tonisystems grips look like they relieve that cut a bit compared to other grips, so you might have tolerance stacking between the two parts causing issues. If that's the case, it means either new grips or a new safety. A new safety would need to be fitted. 

 

 

Thanks for answer. You are 100 percent right in analysis. The tab is too short for these grips. 

Now im looking at my options in this situation i dont want to change grips so new safety is my next step. I was thinking to switch o  single side bul safety is that good idea?

Another solution is DAA AMBI safety and Infinity amby safety that is rechable to me but I cannot judge how long is this tab at those safetys...

 

Is it ok to shoot for now with this right pad removed from pistol, just with left one? I havr a hole in the frame in that case but lrft one is pretty rock solid in place.

What woud you do at my spot?

[zzt]

If you want to change safeties I'd recommend the EGW Ambi thumb safety.  They provide a special hammer pin that retains the left side lever without depending on a grip to hold it.  Also there is a sleeve that fits over the two joined sections.  That goes through the GS and insures there is never any binding or resistance to engaging the safety.

[motosapiens]

22 hours ago, Alternator said:

Now im looking at my options in this situation i dont want to change grips so new safety is my next step. I was thinking to switch o  single side bul safety is that good idea?

 

personally I hate ambi safeties. single-sided works better for me and mrs moto. Sometimes I can get by with the ambi if I grind down the right side so that my grip is less likely to activate it, but at first chance I swap them out for single sided.

[Alternator]

Thanks for advices. Personally I don't need ambi and i will try to fit single side myself. Its good thing to start experimenting with the gun... 

I just think it is wierd that grip manufacturers makes grips that dont cover ambies but have cutout for them....

[twodownzero]

28 minutes ago, Alternator said:

Thanks for advices. Personally I don't need ambi and i will try to fit single side myself. Its good thing to start experimenting with the gun... 

I just think it is wierd that grip manufacturers makes grips that dont cover ambies but have cutout for them....

 

Fitting a safety is a serious operation.  The spec is zero sear movement and you want to be sure you do it correctly.  I'm not saying not to do it yourself but you better do it correctly--the thumb safety is the only one that matters on a 1911.

[Postal Bob]

Even without the grip over the safety's tab, the right side shouldn't just fall out. The two halves of the safety press fit into each other by a tab and slot on the ends of the pins. The slot or tab might've broken. Remove the other side and take a look at it, and see if it has the slot or the tab, and if it looks intact. If they look intact, you can slightly press the slot edges closer, to make a tighter fit with the tab on the other side. It's usually easier to fit the tab and slot with both halves removed from the gun.

If one of the slot or tab is broken, the piece may be within the frame of the gun, so you want to check for sure.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by Postal Bob

[loubob]

never figured out why i would need a 2 sided safety , is there one?

[Sarge]

4 hours ago, loubob said:

never figured out why i would need a 2 sided safety , is there one?

Shooting 1911/2011 weak hand

[motosapiens]

3 minutes ago, Sarge said:

Shooting 1911/2011 weak hand

i flip the safety off before i transfer the gun to the wrong hand.

 

however if you normally draw and shoot wrong-handed, i suspect that safety on the right side might be important.

[loubob]

yes draw right hand flip safety transfer

[Racinready300ex]

Same as above, I draw, click off safety then transfer.

 

I have ambi safety's on all my guns because I think they look better. I've never used them for anything. 

[Joe4d]

by rule you will never be at a disadvantage with a single side safety if you are right handed.
However, you will be at one with one. wait till u have a strong side only string and flip that safety on between shots

[RangerTrace]

14 minutes ago, Joe4d said:

by rule you will never be at a disadvantage with a single side safety if you are right handed.
However, you will be at one with one. wait till u have a strong side only string and flip that safety on between shots

If you grip the 1911 with a proper thumb over safety grip, that will never happen.  

[motosapiens]

1 hour ago, RangerTrace said:

If you grip the 1911 with a proper thumb over safety grip, that will never happen.  

through experimentation, we have discovered that we shoot significantly better 1 handed with the thumb below the safety. Conveniently tho, I've never accidentally flipped it on when shooting 1-handed.

 

for sure with 2 hands tho, thumb rides the safety.