Dazhi Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I cannot find any USPSA rules about placing camera/tripod within a stage. I have seen people put camera/tripod downrange. What's the general consensus on do's and don'ts? For example, it should not be within the fault line, should not be directly on the path of shooter movements, etc. I am thinking along the lines of not "modifying the stage" by introducing new elements to the stage from shooter to shooter. How about clipping a GoPro on top of some walls? Is this something that requires MD approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Dazhi said: I cannot find any USPSA rules about placing camera/tripod within a stage. I have seen people put camera/tripod downrange. What's the general consensus on do's and don'ts? For example, it should not be within the fault line, should not be directly on the path of shooter movements, etc. I am thinking along the lines of not "modifying the stage" by introducing new elements to the stage from shooter to shooter. How about clipping a GoPro on top of some walls? Is this something that requires MD approval? Not MD approval unless it has been stipulated “no photography” during matches. It’s rare but some clubs have undercover operator types that don’t want cameras used. As far as normal run of the mill matches go, the RO on the stage can approve/dictate camera locations. In my experience polite shooters ask if and where they can put a camera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I think you’ll find most mds don’t care as long as it doesn’t disrupt the match and doesn’t cause a safety issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degnan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Local guy around me has a sweet setup. He has a 13 foot monopod that attaches to his cart with a GoPro mounted on top. It captures all the action and is high enough that no one can stand in front of it. Controls everything from his phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 A tripod should not be placed inside the fault-lines as the competitor may find themselves in a position where they have to shoot around the camera in order to hit the targets. Also, some stages are laid out in such a way that there is nowhere to place the camera where it would not be hit by a bullet. From 2009-2014 I never had issues with RO’s preventing me from placing my camera down-range; That changed from 2017 onwards when I started getting pushback from some Range Officers who stated that the camera was a distraction to the competitors. None of the shooters ever complained so I do wonder if there was/is some guidance from NROI that discourages down-range photography. Personally, I think the down-range camera will typically capture better action shots than a camera placed behind the competitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 some folks dont want to be filmed, and others dont want to do said filmers share of range setup and be delayed by their fiddle farting around with their camera gadgets. I also seriously doubt none of the shooters complained. They maybe just didnt confront you personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I thought the camera would only be setup during the owners run through the stage, not all the shooters. I would prefer to be asked before someone I didn’t know recorded me. You never know where the video will be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degnan Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Cuz said: I thought the camera would only be setup during the owners run through the stage, not all the shooters. I would prefer to be asked before someone I didn’t know recorded me. You never know where the video will be used. Area 8 has multiple bays wired up with camera that recorded every shooter. You could purchase the videos of yourself compared to another shooter. Cool idea, but also demonstrates that asking for permission to video someone is not in the culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 USPSA has a policy concerning the use of images from stills/video. —-> 2018 Policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Cuz said: I thought the camera would only be setup during the owners run through the stage, not all the shooters. I would set my camera up while the RO was reading the written stage briefing so I did not interfere with anyone’s walk-through. I’d take photos of everyone on that squad. Then, if the stage was a good one (offering some good action shots) then I would leave it there and get some shots of the next squad too. This was only for stills; When I was doing the video stuff I would just follow the behind the RO/scorekeeper to get the footage. I’ve never put a video camera down-range, but the ShootingUSA guys used to do that for insert shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 One of the TV shows a few years ago had a problem with taping matches with a drone. Shooters were complaining about it hovering over the target arrays during the match! I might not enjoy that either. A camera on a tripod probably wouldn't bother usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Drones are noisy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18111811 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) a drone sounds not only obnoxious but dangerous especially if it goes off course or has a power issue. Imagine if that thing flies over to another bay and whacks someone who is firing? I know at some major local matches last year, Bill Duda from "Go Fast, Dont Suck" set up several giant pipe camera/erector set looking platforms (super sturdy) powered by a lawn mower battery in an ammo can at several stages. These gopro cameras were 15' or higher, way behind the fault line, and did not interfere in any way. They were on constant record the entire day, so everything/everyone at these stages was captured with the vids for sale on his site. I think a tall selfie stick or modified painting, gutter cleaning pipe to hold an action camera attached to its own base or range cart is the least invasive and safest way to go. Edited March 25, 2021 by 18111811 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Video is definitely better when done from behind the competitor, as the viewer can see the shooter and the targets. For still shots I still maintain that a down-range camera is better and produces more marketable images. Mirrorless cameras are ideal for this as they are generally smaller than D-SLR’s and have silent shooting. The older D-SLR’s would sound like a mini-machine gun when taking rapid photos, and would clearly be a distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degnan Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 9 hours ago, 18111811 said: a drone sounds not only obnoxious but dangerous especially if it goes off course or has a power issue. Imagine if that thing flies over to another bay and whacks someone who is firing? I know at some major local matches last year, Bill Duda from "Go Fast, Dont Suck" set up several giant pipe camera/erector set looking platforms (super sturdy) powered by a lawn mower battery in an ammo can at several stages. These gopro cameras were 15' or higher, way behind the fault line, and did not interfere in any way. They were on constant record the entire day, so everything/everyone at these stages was captured with the vids for sale on his site. I think a tall selfie stick or modified painting, gutter cleaning pipe to hold an action camera attached to its own base or range cart is the least invasive and safest way to go. Yes! The “ghost” comparison videos were very cool. They made really obvious where you were losing time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwishoot Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Personally have always cleared my camera setup with MD, stage RO and let shooters know where it is. Tripod wise I've kept it halfway downrange if it's a long running stage, reckon the photos look nice capturing people running towards the camera. Ideally behind a barrel so it's not sticking out like a sore thumb right in front of the shooter, less of a temptation to be a visual distraction. Wireless remote, burst = a whole lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebenson Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 3/22/2021 at 3:27 PM, Dazhi said: I cannot find any USPSA rules about placing camera/tripod within a stage. I have seen people put camera/tripod downrange. What's the general consensus on do's and don'ts? For example, it should not be within the fault line, should not be directly on the path of shooter movements, etc. I am thinking along the lines of not "modifying the stage" by introducing new elements to the stage from shooter to shooter. How about clipping a GoPro on top of some walls? Is this something that requires MD approval? Depending on where and when it could be considered a modification to a stage. The stage and target must be the same for all competitors. At minimum it should be approved by the RO if it is for just one shooter. I up after someone finished and had left their camera on a wall. I asked it be removed before I started the stage. It was “make ready” I said we need the camera removed. It was then unload show clear hammer down holster. The camera was removed and we restarted. No one complained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) You have no right to privacy in a public space. Matches are public. Edited June 25, 2022 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I think some of the Nationals matches actually state that photographs and video of competitors may be taken to promote the sport etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_b Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Sometimes I clamp my gopro to a wall or the base of a target stand right before I shoot. Have had zero issues at level 1 matches from shooters or RO/MD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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