1050 Primer Skipping

[IVC]

While reloading couple thousand rounds of 9mm today I would occasionally see a primer fly out of the press in the direction of around 2 o'clock (between priming and swaging stations) and land about a foot from the press. I would inspect the cases in other stations and, sure enough, there would be a primerless case under the bullet seating station. The primer was not damaged and looked completely "clean." 

 

Anyone had similar experience or knows what the cause would be? The plastic tab on the priming station too loose or something?

 

If I could replicate it consistently or it happened often, I could diagnose it. The worst part is that the primerless case would always be in the bullet seating station, meaning that by the time I see the primer flying out, the case has passed the charging and MBF stations, so it's too late to figure it out. Strange... 

Edited December 17, 2019 by IVC
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[Brooke]

Happens to me sometimes.. I think its caused by an upside down primer. My RF100 gives me far too many of those.

[GregJ]

1, Check to make sure the nut on top of the primer mag tube is barley finger tight.

2. When was the last time the blue tip on the primer mag tube was replaced? Might be worth replacing.

3. No more than a 45 case on top of primer of rod is needed.  Too much weight can cause this.

4. Might try cleaning any gunk out of the primer tube mag.

5. As suggested, are you using RF100 to load the tubes? Do you know for sure the primers were loaded right side up?

[AHI]

Will add when was the last time you cleaned the  primer system ?

cleaning media / powder /carbon in the sliding part will do this .

[DJRyan13]

The case retainer should almost be kissing the case. No more, no less. 

[RangerTrace]

Any time I have any kind of primer issue, I take it apart and clean it.  Kind of a pain, but it's the only thing that works for me.  

[IVC]

Thanks - I do use RF100 and it will occasionally produce an upside down primer. Thinking of it, when the primers started kicking out of the 1050, I also stopped having rounds with the upside down primers, so it's possible that the upside down primers are finding their way out of the press instead of being pushed into the brass. 

 

Taking apart the priming system seems like the most logical next step. I don't do it, but I should (also answers the question of how often I clean it - very rarely ). I clean up and lubricate the press when I change calibers, but I don't mess with the priming system. 

 

Since I have to order a replacement cover on top of the brass feeding plunger (has crack, but still works), I might as well get a few spare parts for the priming system such as the plastic tip and alike. 

[Dirtchevy841]

Same here. Any priming issues I would take apart and clean good and check the tube tips 

[Bull0369]

what kind of primers are you using? Brand?

 

[RangerTrace]

On 12/17/2019 at 1:57 PM, IVC said:

Thanks - I do use RF100 and it will occasionally produce an upside down primer. Thinking of it, when the primers started kicking out of the 1050, I also stopped having rounds with the upside down primers, so it's possible that the upside down primers are finding their way out of the press instead of being pushed into the brass. 

 

Taking apart the priming system seems like the most logical next step. I don't do it, but I should (also answers the question of how often I clean it - very rarely ). I clean up and lubricate the press when I change calibers, but I don't mess with the priming system. 

 

Since I have to order a replacement cover on top of the brass feeding plunger (has crack, but still works), I might as well get a few spare parts for the priming system such as the plastic tip and alike. 

I was told to use the brass tip from a 650 primer tube.  Works like a charm and no cracking.......

[IVC]

I use several types, Federal GM100 for revolver and Winchester for everything else.  This was with WSP. 
 

I took the priming system apart and cleaned it. It happened once again, but it’s much more rare now. I also tinkered with the RF100 since it was having issues with the blue plastic piece that makes primers sink into the tube - it would have a vibrating primer sit there forever and block the process. Possibly it caused an issue with flipped or sideways primers, but they never got jammed into the case that way so not sure. 
 

Still investigating...

Edited December 21, 2019 by IVC

[Bull0369]

I had very bad problems with winchester small primers - to the point I swapped them out for CCI. Now I may have an issue every 500 vice every 30... significantly low compared to before. Most of my brass has a crimp so I started there, but it appears to me that WSP is not manufactured as well as cci and federal both insert into pockets and well winchester sometimes doesnt making for a big mess.

[DJRyan13]

18 hours ago, IVC said:

I use several types, Federal GM100 for revolver and Winchester for everything else.  This was with WSP. 
 

I took the priming system apart and cleaned it. It happened once again, but it’s much more rare now. I also tinkered with the RF100 since it was having issues with the blue plastic piece that makes primers sink into the tube - it would have a vibrating primer sit there forever and block the process. Possibly it caused an issue with flipped or sideways primers, but they never got jammed into the case that way so not sure. 
 

Still investigating...

did you make sure the case retainer is not too tight or too loose? Perhaps the RL1100 retainer clip might make that easier

[Bull0369]

Does anyone have the case retainer you speak of? Did you just recommend something no one has tested?

[DJRyan13]

1 hour ago, Bull0369 said:

Does anyone have the case retainer you speak of? Did you just recommend something no one has tested?

It’s on the rl1100. 1050 owners are waiting patiently for it...

[IVC]

I think the case retainer is adjusted properly, per instructions and everything I've seen. I guess I could try to move it in either direction to confirm it's all correct, but the problem doesn't happen often so it would be hard to judge whether anything improved. Of course, there is a chance I move it and then don't see any more problems, making me wonder whether it was indeed the issue. 

 

The crux is to figure out *how* the primer ends up flying out and why it's only after a few strokes. Also, how come the primer is not even slightly damaged while it's lingering somewhere around the priming system, clearly out of place. 

[Bull0369]

I will be waiting to see if it actually does anything for us with the 1050

[V2plus25]

9 hours ago, IVC said:

I think the case retainer is adjusted properly, per instructions and everything I've seen. I guess I could try to move it in either direction to confirm it's all correct, but the problem doesn't happen often so it would be hard to judge whether anything improved. Of course, there is a chance I move it and then don't see any more problems, making me wonder whether it was indeed the issue. 

 

The crux is to figure out *how* the primer ends up flying out and why it's only after a few strokes. Also, how come the primer is not even slightly damaged while it's lingering somewhere around the priming system, clearly out of place. 

 

This happens to me sometimes as well.  Best I can figure a piece of media or some powder goes down the primer tube and gets stuck on the slide under where the primer drops on to the slide.  That causes the primer to stick up a bit instead of ride flush in the primer slide.  Then one of 3 things happens:

 

1. the primer isn't sticking too far up and manages to still ride the slide forward to prime a case

2. the primer ends up sticking in the blue tip (usually flipped 90 degrees) and the offending piece of media/powder gets dumped out when the primer slide cycles

3. the primer gets forced out of the correct hole in the primer slide and rides in one of the other ones, which when the slide cycles will allow the primer to drop free of the press below the slide

 

I try my best to keep the brass free of media and ensure that the powder hopper is filled away from the primer tube.  This still happens to me once every 1000 rounds or so though and is quite frustrating.

[DJRyan13]

Has anyone actually asked Dillon? Ha.... 

[78Staff]

yeah there's a thread on Dillon's Forum from a few years ago....  Response was likely out of round primers, worn tip or combination of the two...

 

https://www.dillonprecision.com/occasionally-spits-a-primer-out-of-machine_350_12_3683.htm

[DJRyan13]

7 hours ago, 78Staff said:

yeah there's a thread on Dillon's Forum from a few years ago....  Response was likely out of round primers, worn tip or combination of the two...

 

https://www.dillonprecision.com/occasionally-spits-a-primer-out-of-machine_350_12_3683.htm

 

Loved the last post in that thread. Dang....

[78Staff]

On 12/24/2019 at 7:25 PM, DJRyan13 said:

 

Loved the last post in that thread. Dang....

 

Yeah, that's a guy you don't want to stand near in a thunderstorm for sure!  

[Keydet08]

I had a similar problem recently.  The half circle shaped retainer that keeps the primer shuttle in was not fully tightened down.  It caused the primer shuttle to go a little too far back and not pick up the next primer correctly.

[Rich406]

I had this problem for awhile. The arm that moves the primer shuttle was slightly bent. 

[IVC]

I think i can attribute my problem to the RF 100. I've noticed that it would get stuck at times and that the primer that is supposed to sink into the tube is vibrating sort of sideways, blocking the rest of the "traffic." Then, it would suddenly sink and I'm not at all sure it would go the way it's supposed to go. So, I went back to primer tubes and manual process and in the past 6-700 rounds not a single problem. 

 

Turns out that I couldn't leave RF 100 to full the tube by itself, so there wasn't much time saved with stragglers requiring another cycle and having to tweak the speed knob. Then, it would get stuck from time to time. Instead, I can fill a bunch of tubes and then I not only don't have to stop to watch the RF 100 dance show, but I know that all the primers are correctly oriented and I haven't seen a problem since. The delay the cleanup of a single round without the primer would cause is in itself longer than it takes me to fill a few tubes. It also helps that Winchester primers are oriented up instead of Federals that are sideways, so a single flip and no shaking does the trick. 

 

I'll wait for the new DAA primer collator to see how it works. Short of that, I'm back to manual tube filling.