38stupid Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I am shooting my first S.C. this year. I was wondering what the laws are regarding my Para Hi cap mags in the state of CA. I would prefer not to buy 10 round mags just for this match. I live in the Socialist Republic of NY and all my mags are pre-ban. (We have a duplicate State law of the Old Federal ban which does not expire) Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I might be wrong, but I belive it's instant state felony to be caught with any type of 10+ round mag in CA. Two years ago my carry revo broke and I had to take my Para when I attended to IRC, luckily its a LDA and I have 10rnd mags to shoot production with it. It real lucky that the BATF in CA, at some politcians request, has never raided a large match there to catch all you evil doers, and make a example out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Best move would be to contact the California DOJ (via the phone or web) and inquire directly. Want to know for sure...go directly to the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Best move would be to contact the California DOJ (via the phone or web) and inquire directly.Want to know for sure...go directly to the source. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And I'd like to add if you do go thru all the work to "go to the source" could you post back here for the rest of the folks, thanks. (I'll be shooting round guns so my limit is 8, and I wouldn't know who/how to go about this 3K miles away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38stupid Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 I will post any "official" findings that I get......Thanks.... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 There is an exemption for so-called AW's brought in to CA by out of state competitors for a match, but the section banning > 10 round mags does not contain any such exemption. Furthermore, CA requires that the > 10 round mags be "personally posessed in CA" prior to the ban, so buying or using pre-ban or pre-Caliban magazines is not a work around. Put simply, if you did not have a > 10 round mag in CA before the ban, you'll need LEO credentials or diplomatic immunity status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Rob is right, the CA code is clear-- your AWB-pistol is legal* as you are a visitor, your touching/posessing/importing/fondling/drooling-on any over 10-round mags is not. We go around on this every year a little before the SC it seems. In reality, it seems nobody cares, but who wants to be the test case? *with restrictions, check the code for transport rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I might be wrong, but I belive it's instant state felony to be caught with any type of 10+ round mag in CA. Indeed, you are wrong. It real lucky that the BATF in CA, at some politcians request, has never raided a large match there to catch all you evil doers, and make a example out of you. The U.S. Dept. of the Treasury does not enforce CA state law. For the paranoid visiting CA to shoot a match with full capacity magazines, visit the storage facility and retrieve the magazines you stashed there years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 What Erik said. By the book, it's a no-go. Reality. California DOJ knows EVERYTHING that is/was going on since 1994 and doesn't care. Your concern needs to be with how you transport your firearms and your ability to drive correctly as CHP and city/county LE are pretty random with how they do things. So...my answer. You're using mags that the guy in your squad let you use as yours got lost in shipment (because the owner has to be in immediate proximity in order to "loan" them) ; or you have mags stashed at your buddies house before the ban and that's what you're using. Hope that helps. SPC Richard A. White 8/249th MP Detachment Camp Humphreys, Republic of Korea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.J. Norris Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 So, the threaded barrel's on my open guns won't be a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Magazines with a capacity greater than ten rounds aren't illegal to possess in California. However, they are illegal to import, buy, sell, or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 So, the threaded barrel's on my open guns won't be a problem? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As long as you have a comp on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Even with a comp, it's still a threaded barrel. If you pin or weld the comp, then it's okay. There is the exemption for people traveling to a match, but make sure you have documentation indicating you are attending the match. One way to work around the hicap mag is to disassemble it. Keep the pieces in separate places and technically it's legal. If you put it back together, that's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Even with a comp, it's still a threaded barrel. If you pin or weld the comp, then it's okay. There is the exemption for people traveling to a match, but make sure you have documentation indicating you are attending the match.One way to work around the hicap mag is to disassemble it. Keep the pieces in separate places and technically it's legal. If you put it back together, that's illegal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's an issue when it's a threaded barrel that can accept a flash-hider. It can't (unless Bob's doing some wacky shite), so you're good, B.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In any case, the match exemption covers "AW" pistols for visitors, so it doesn't matter. Keep your match paperwork handy just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 One way to work around the hicap mag is to disassemble it. Keep the pieces in separate places and technically it's legal. If you put it back together, that's illegal. What part of the code gives you this impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 In any case, the match exemption covers "AW" pistols for visitors, so it doesn't matter. Keep your match paperwork handy just in case. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AW pistols yes; > 10 round mags no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38stupid Posted July 20, 2005 Author Share Posted July 20, 2005 I contacted the Cal. DOJ (via email) and asked the question regarding the magazines (hi cap). I just got a reply yesterday requesting the make and model of the firearm!? (original email 7-12-05 reply 7-19-05) I replied with the requested information and will let you folks know what I get for an answer......... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I contacted the Cal. DOJ (via email) and asked the question regarding themagazines (hi cap). I just got a reply yesterday requesting the make and model of the firearm!? (original email 7-12-05 reply 7-19-05) I replied with the requested information and will let you folks know what I get for an answer......... Bob <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay1 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 They have your email addy, your name and now: "I just got a reply yesterday requesting the make and model of the firearm!?" I'm sure that they will request your soc number, finger print, driver license and car plate numbers right before you enter the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 asked the question regarding themagazines (hi cap). I just got a reply yesterday requesting the make and model of the firearm!? Buncha asshats! Any reply you get is worthless in court. In fact, they can even deliberately lie to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38stupid Posted August 15, 2005 Author Share Posted August 15, 2005 Just to let you guys know that I STILL have not gotten an OFFICIAL response since my reply to the Ca. DOJ. I did not think that it was that tuff of a question. As stated, you could not "trust" the answer you get anyway...... I have already ordered 10 round politically correct / safe / neutral / inert / nuetered magazines for my Para.......... I will post any response (if I get one). Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 asked the question regarding themagazines (hi cap). I just got a reply yesterday requesting the make and model of the firearm!? Buncha asshats! Any reply you get is worthless in court. In fact, they can even deliberately lie to you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, there is a well established defense of "entrapement by estoppel" when the defendent does something specifically because an agent of the government said it was legal. I'm not sure how this plays out in CA, as both legal process and the US constitution are void where prohibited by law. But, this has failed in cases where a state official gave a defenedent bad info about federal law, and federal charges were subsequently broght, as the course held the misrepresentaiton would have to come from a federal official to provide an offense to a federal charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Yea, but let's say that you successfully use that affirmative defense and don't get convicted. You're still going to be out xxx of dollars in attorney fees, probably spend more than a few nights in the pokey, not to mention have an arrest record. I personally wouldn't rely on any legal advice that any police officer or government attorney gave me, just for those reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I've often thought about going to CA to shoot a match, but the mystery surrounding the laws overrides the desire. I wish USPSA would post a FAQ on the subject. There are sanctioned matches in CA, so it seems right that they would provide the membership with a clear explaination of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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