lacivilian Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, tyman1876 said: I figured sense it’s the start of the off season for me, now would be a good time to try a few different powders and experiment a bit. I was using HS6 in my old gun so that’s all I really have experience with in my Chaos. I ordered a pound of each of the following: Accurate #7 WAC Silhouette Shooters World Major Already have HS6 (Currently using 8.2gr) In the next month or so I’ll find a good load for each and then compare all 5 and see which feel I like better. If I’m really feeling ambitious I might even try each with 115gr bullets for the hell of it. Initial testing will be with 124’s. I’ll be sure to keep track of everything and post any valuable results here for guys that might want to try something different. Can't wait to hear the results. A local shooter did some very similar tests with the above powders except SWM. He ended up sticking with 3n38 with A#7 in the 2nd spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I figured sense it’s the start of the off season for me, now would be a good time to try a few different powders and experiment a bit. I was using HS6 in my old gun so that’s all I really have experience with in my Chaos. I ordered a pound of each of the following:Accurate #7WACSilhouette Shooters World MajorAlready have HS6 (Currently using 8.2gr)In the next month or so I’ll find a good load for each and then compare all 5 and see which feel I like better. If I’m really feeling ambitious I might even try each with 115gr bullets for the hell of it. Initial testing will be with 124’s. I’ll be sure to keep track of everything and post any valuable results here for guys that might want to try something different. Also looking forward to it. My atlas is due in December and I have only been using HS6 also. You running 9mm or 38? Mine will be 9Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Can't wait to hear the results. A local shooter did some very similar tests with the above powders except SWM. He ended up sticking with 3n38 with A#7 in the 2nd spot. Crap 3n38 was another I wanted to try. I’ll try to get my hands on some. With that said I really don’t want to like it. That stuff ain’t cheap Also looking forward to it. My atlas is due in December and I have only been using HS6 also. You running 9mm or 38? Mine will be 9 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mine is 9mm as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slide4949 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) I went from Autocomp to 3n38 on a 38 sc and I thing it's softer feeling recoil. I like it much better even though it's more expensive Edited November 15, 2018 by Slide4949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just to add in for the 9mm shooters... I tried 3n38 on my old open gun (not atlas) and even compressed loads couldn’t get major. Given that was a 115gr but enough that I wasn’t going to waste my time further with it. Others may have different results. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slide4949 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) I use 9gr 3n38 with a 125 hp MG and I get 168 on one gun and 169 pf on another one. For 38 SC Edited November 15, 2018 by Slide4949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limited shtr Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 How well does the atlas chaos balance with the steel grip ? Is it neutral , hand heavy or nose heavy ? Thanks for any details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 How well does the atlas chaos balance with the steel grip ? Is it neutral , hand heavy or nose heavy ? Thanks for any details Very balanced compared to other open guns I’ve used. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatjoe123111 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, limited shtr said: How well does the atlas chaos balance with the steel grip ? Is it neutral , hand heavy or nose heavy ? Thanks for any details The gun balances very well. It is a heavier gun than any other open gun I have shot. But it feels great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil plesetz Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That is one nice unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JatCarver Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) I tried 3n38 but hated how I had to fill the case. Picked up 32lbs of WAC, to get a good handle on how the gun feels(it's my first open gun). When I need more powder i might play with it again. Edit to add: With WAC I experimented with loads from 162-178 PF. Around 173-175 PF its really seemed to work the comp the best. Settled at 7.3gr WAC @ 175 PF. Edited November 22, 2018 by JatCarver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Here are the results of my AA7 load dev with MG 115 JHP's and my Chaos. My load is 10.8 grains for 172.3 PF. Gun doesn't shoot any flatter with 11.1 grain load, but is noisier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slide4949 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) will a 38 super shoot flatter with the higher PF like 172 vs 168 . I'm using 3n38 Edited November 24, 2018 by Slide4949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer-x Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I shot drills with mine at 164, 170, 172 & the max I could get with 115's & AA7, 173 PF (1507 avg fps). Gun was surprisingly flat even at 164PF, but seemed at its best overall between 170-172PF to me. Gun shoots really, really nice! I would expect your 38SC gun to shoot very good with 3N38 & 115's between 170-172 PF as well. You need to test to see what feels best to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slide4949 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) thanks racer-x, I will do that but will use 125 MG HP i expect that would make some difference too. Edited November 24, 2018 by Slide4949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Alright, I just finished testing those 5 powders I mentioned before. It was difficult to do it all in one sitting due to Thanksgiving and all that so I was just running out back and testing one after work or when I had a little time. I plan to shoot them all together at some point and I’d also like to get some slow-mo of the gun shooting each but that’ll be another time. Also the notes are stuff that I found important. Obviously they may be different with a different shooter. Don’t take them as the gospel. Hopefully this can help some of you that may want to try a different recipe. Accurate #7Caliber: 9mmCOAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHPPrimer: Winchester SPPCharge: 9.6grPF: 172Muzzle Rise: Dot stays in screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. Little bit of a bounce. Punch: ModerateAccuracy: GoodDouble Tap: Returns high. Dot had a streak to it . Other: Meters terrific. Case is close to top but doesn’t spill on press. Loud. Shooters World Major (Lovex) D037-01Caliber: 9mmCOAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHPPrimer: Winchester SPPCharge: 9.7grPF: 169Muzzle Rise: Very little rise. Dot Tracking: Straight up. Returned to zero very well. Punch: Soft in hand. Accuracy: GoodDouble Tap: Quick and clean. Other: Apparently it’s temp sensitive. Meters well. Spills easy. Relatively loud. SilhouetteCaliber: 9mmCOAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHPPrimer: Winchester SPPCharge: 7.7grPF: 171Muzzle Rise: Decent rise to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. No dip. Punch: Moderate punch. Accuracy: Good. Double Tap: Clean and quick. Other: Meters great. Spills easy on the press. Not to loud. HS6Caliber: 9mmCOAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHPPrimer: Winchester SPPCharge: 8.1grPF: 171Muzzle Rise: Dot rises to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Slight wobble? Returns a little low. Punch: Moderate/HeavyAccuracy: GoodDouble Tap: Fast doubles seemed rough compared to others. I would say not great but not terrible either. Other: Doesn’t seem as loud as other powders. Doesn’t meter the best. Winchester Auto CompCaliber: 9mmCOAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHPPrimer: Winchester SPPCharge: 7.0grPF: 169Muzzle Rise: Pretty good. Not quite to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. Slight dip. Punch: Relatively soft. Accuracy: Good. Double Tap: A lot of “bounce” on doubles. I had a tendency to shoot high on the second shot. Other: Not to loud comparatively. Gassy. I still have some messing around to do but as of right now Lovex will be what I’m shooting. It felt great to shoot and easy to go fast with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatjoe123111 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, tyman1876 said: Alright, I just finished testing those 5 powders I mentioned before. It was difficult to do it all in one sitting due to Thanksgiving and all that so I was just running out back and testing one after work or when I had a little time. I plan to shoot them all together at some point and I’d also like to get some slow-mo of the gun shooting each but that’ll be another time. Also the notes are stuff that I found important. Obviously they may be different with a different shooter. Don’t take them as the gospel. Hopefully this can help some of you that may want to try a different recipe. Accurate #7 Caliber: 9mm COAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHP Primer: Winchester SPP Charge: 9.6gr PF: 172 Muzzle Rise: Dot stays in screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. Little bit of a bounce. Punch: Moderate Accuracy: Good Double Tap: Returns high. Dot had a streak to it . Other: Meters terrific. Case is close to top but doesn’t spill on press. Loud. Shooters World Major (Lovex) D037-01 Caliber: 9mm COAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHP Primer: Winchester SPP Charge: 9.7gr PF: 169 Muzzle Rise: Very little rise. Dot Tracking: Straight up. Returned to zero very well. Punch: Soft in hand. Accuracy: Good Double Tap: Quick and clean. Other: Apparently it’s temp sensitive. Meters well. Spills easy. Relatively loud. Silhouette Caliber: 9mm COAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHP Primer: Winchester SPP Charge: 7.7gr PF: 171 Muzzle Rise: Decent rise to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. No dip. Punch: Moderate punch. Accuracy: Good. Double Tap: Clean and quick. Other: Meters great. Spills easy on the press. Not to loud. HS6 Caliber: 9mm COAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHP Primer: Winchester SPP Charge: 8.1gr PF: 171 Muzzle Rise: Dot rises to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Slight wobble? Returns a little low. Punch: Moderate/Heavy Accuracy: Good Double Tap: Fast doubles seemed rough compared to others. I would say not great but not terrible either. Other: Doesn’t seem as loud as other powders. Doesn’t meter the best.Winchester Auto Comp Caliber: 9mm COAL: 1.165 Bullet Weight: 124gr Everglades JHP Primer: Winchester SPP Charge: 7.0gr PF: 169 Muzzle Rise: Pretty good. Not quite to top of screen. Dot Tracking: Straight up and down. Slight dip. Punch: Relatively soft. Accuracy: Good. Double Tap: A lot of “bounce” on doubles. I had a tendency to shoot high on the second shot. Other: Not to loud comparatively. Gassy. I still have some messing around to do but as of right now Lovex will be what I’m shooting. It felt great to shoot and easy to go fast with. This is some really great information. I just tested some Accurate #7 yesterday and found my chaos need more like 9.9-10 gr. from what some of the guys I know that use AA7 a little bit higher PF works better for that powder. I have been using 8.1 of HS6 and honestly I couldn't tell much of a diffrence between the two. But I need to do some more testing. Im interested in your findings of the Shooters World Major powder. Might have to pick up a pound of that and try it out, if I can find it that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyman1876 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 This is some really great information. I just tested some Accurate #7 yesterday and found my chaos need more like 9.9-10 gr. from what some of the guys I know that use AA7 a little bit higher PF works better for that powder. I have been using 8.1 of HS6 and honestly I couldn't tell much of a diffrence between the two. But I need to do some more testing. Im interested in your findings of the Shooters World Major powder. Might have to pick up a pound of that and try it out, if I can find it that is. Thanks. It was a fun project. I got that Shooters World Major from Grafs. I’ll probably start looking for an 8lb bottle soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 So I've been having some issues with my shok buffs getting eaten up within 300 rounds. Just as a heads up to anyone using Slip2k EWL, this stuff deforms shok buffs. I've left a buff soaking in it for a little bit and it starts to cave into itself which is made worse with continued recoil. I'll be switching to Mobil 1 5w30. My friend suggested I add some auto transmission fluid as a cleaner. Have any of you guys tried this mixture before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, touji said: So I've been having some issues with my shok buffs getting eaten up within 300 rounds. Just as a heads up to anyone using Slip2k EWL, this stuff deforms shok buffs. I've left a buff soaking in it for a little bit and it starts to cave into itself which is made worse with continued recoil. I'll be switching to Mobil 1 5w30. My friend suggested I add some auto transmission fluid as a cleaner. Have any of you guys tried this mixture before? You should probably just stick to Lucas Extreme Duty Gun oil. Don't try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to a 5k+ open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touji Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, lacivilian said: You should probably just stick to Lucas Extreme Duty Gun oil. Don't try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to a 5k+ open gun. I've definitely thought about using Lucas. A lot of my shooting friends in the area are using some form of Mobil 1 in their Atlas guns, but maybe I should just keep it simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo929 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 So I've been having some issues with my shok buffs getting eaten up within 300 rounds. Just as a heads up to anyone using Slip2k EWL, this stuff deforms shok buffs. I've left a buff soaking in it for a little bit and it starts to cave into itself which is made worse with continued recoil. I'll be switching to Mobil 1 5w30. My friend suggested I add some auto transmission fluid as a cleaner. Have any of you guys tried this mixture before?Motor oil and transmission fluid mixed is put out in some armorer courses. So I doubt it would hurt anything. I just use motor oil Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, kujo929 said: Motor oil and transmission fluid mixed is put out in some armorer courses. So I doubt it would hurt anything. I just use motor oil Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Good to hear but I wouldn't advise it after someone is looking to get the right lubricant. Stick with what everyone uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Pretty sure Atlas says they prefer FP10. It's cheap. Not as cheap as motor oil but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slide4949 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I had some issues with lucas oil, worked ok but just not that smooth and switched to breakfree clp now it's really smooth. Another good oil found was from Infinity called Blue oil I use in my Infinity works very well. I think sometimes it just depends on how tight the slide is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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