3gunnuts Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 CR Speed WSM series for STI Edgd. As soon as I reached for the grip as I "exploded" off the start position gun was already on its way out of the holster. Caught it just out of the holster and kept going without issue but it wrecked my mindset for the stage. It seems the forward momentum of the fully loaded gun was enough dislodge it. Same thing happened toa buddy with a Bladetech open front holster. Now looking for ideas for a new holster. I have a few in mind but I have some questions. Safariland 014 DAA Racemaster Ghost The One How positive is the retention when the lock is disengaged for stage starts? Think shaking hips back and forth vigorously with fully loaded gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I like my DAA Race Master. I run retention unless I am going to draw it right from the buzzer, in which case I run it in race mode (no retention). Also came in handy on the one match all year I ran where we had to re-holster and run - used retention and no worries about hustling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Racemaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 8 hours ago, 3gunnuts said: Caught it just out of the holster and kept going without issue but it wrecked my mindset for the stage. Not trying to start anything but..... #1 it is a DQ if you lose control of your gun. The reason being is people tend shoot themselves or others when trying to catch a falling gun. Never a good idea to try and catch one on the way down. Here is the definition of a dropped gun and the rule that is used for the DQ when it's dropped. Dropped Gun ...................(during the course of fire) A condition in which a competitor loses control of their handgun. Loss of control does not require the handgun to land on the ground or other range surface or prop. It occurs anytime the handgun is no longer in control of either hand, even if it is trapped against part of the body or caught in midair 10.5.14 Retrieving a dropped handgun: A dropped gun must always be retrieved by a Range Officer who will ensure it is unloaded and properly secured in the competitor's holster or a suitable container. The Range Officer may, at his discretion, secure the gun himself or return it to the competitor who will secure it under supervision of the Range Officer. Dropping an unloaded handgun or causing it to fall outside of a course of fire is not an infraction; however, a competitor who retrieves a dropped handgun will receive a match disqualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixsomd Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I have the same holster and a CZ TS I've been running for several years without issue. Surprised yours didn't retain your pistol. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I like my DAA Race Master Magnetic. I added a muzzle rest this year for "extra" security, even though I've never had an issue. It holds the pistol securely and you will not dislodge it with hips shaking back and forth. However, a violent upward movement with a heavy gun will generate enough momentum to unholster the gun. I leave retention engaged whenever rapid movement prior to draw is required on a stage. With the DAA, disengaging retention is accomplished without thinking during the draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Hello: I know more than a couple dozen master and grand master shooters that use a Blade Tech DOH for there limited Edge type pistols. Their draw is almost the same with those as it is with a race holster. One master shooter I know and have timed at 10 yard draws a bunch of times can do the first shot in 0.90 sec with a Blade Tech DOH with a STI Edge in 40. I use a DAA Magnetic Race Master and a Blade Tech as well. The difference for me is only 0.20 but I don't practice draws like I should. Most stages now have movement so you draw then move to the first target. Classifiers are another story. Hope this helps. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gunnuts Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 16 hours ago, ktm300 said: Not trying to start anything but..... #1 it is a DQ if you lose control of your gun. The reason being is people tend shoot themselves or others when trying to catch a falling gun. Never a good idea to try and catch one on the way down. Here is the definition of a dropped gun and the rule that is used for the DQ when it's dropped. Dropped Gun ...................(during the course of fire) A condition in which a competitor loses control of their handgun. Loss of control does not require the handgun to land on the ground or other range surface or prop. It occurs anytime the handgun is no longer in control of either hand, even if it is trapped against part of the body or caught in midair 10.5.14 Retrieving a dropped handgun: A dropped gun must always be retrieved by a Range Officer who will ensure it is unloaded and properly secured in the competitor's holster or a suitable container. The Range Officer may, at his discretion, secure the gun himself or return it to the competitor who will secure it under supervision of the Range Officer. Dropping an unloaded handgun or causing it to fall outside of a course of fire is not an infraction; however, a competitor who retrieves a dropped handgun will receive a match disqualification. I understand that. I guess I should have been a bit clearer. As my hand got about a half inch away from the grip it pretty much launched up into my hand. The only person that could have possibly noticed it was me as I did not grab for it other than the motion of my normal draw. It just popped out and into my hand. Future issues should be solved as I ordered a Saf 014 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Try the Ernie Hill Speed Holster. You can make it fit any gun with just a little adjustment. Very secure and very fast to draw from. I use his revolver holster and had and accident last weekend were I flipped over. The gun stayed secure in my rig. It proved to me how secure it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesap Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I prefer Safariland 014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey03 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Safariland 014, In 3 years of 3 Gun my only drop was when I forgot to lock it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I saw 3 wedgies, a bunch of bobbles and 2 AD's ROing Area 8 this year. All on the draw with race holsters. That only solidified my decision to dump my racemaster a couple years ago. I shoot a Kydex from Redhill now, even with my 6 inch gun. I have hit .8 draws in matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I run a Bladetech Doh or the older ghost holsters. No issues so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjones6686 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Ever thought about looking at the Ernie Hill Speed universal speed holster? I've used it in limited division for a year and it retains the gun great when the lock is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I had a WSM once and felt it was not very secure. I moved to a Guga, then RaceMaster, then to Limcat. These three are awesome and all are very secure once locked in. All have a few small differences but I like the Limcat the best for the draw and security. However, what Eric said above is very true. You don't need a "speed" holster, a DOH type will function just as well, is very secure, and draw speeds should be just about identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Ernie Hill/Gugas Ribas. It will fit any semi auto pistol. It is the most universal holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickd1 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Ghost holster Edited October 27, 2016 by mickd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 the new double alpha, alpha X holster would be my suggestion. it uses the same magnetic insert blocks as the race master but has a better hanger design. very secure retention even when 'unlocked'. when unlocked it can only come up to get out of the holster. it will not release forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmooberry Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I run a 014 and am very happy with it. Completely locked in when needed and has a very light draw when no movement is involved. I am sure you'll be happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superlifer03 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I am running a safariland 014. Great piece of gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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