Sarge Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 So, the rules a slung PCC is the same as a holstered gun, except for sweeping. i interpret that to mean any time a PCC muzzle sweeps somebody ITS A DQ. Correct? Two shooters on my squad last weekend slung their PCC. I lost count of how many times they swept every person on the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makdaddy Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 supposed to have chamber flags i believe PCC 5.2.1.4 Pistol caliber carbines may be transported or stored without a slip or case, whether or not reasonably vertical, in a mobile rack or carrier as long as a chamber safety flag is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 That's how I see it. PCC 10.5.2.1 Failing to point the muzzle at a side berm or back stop during casing or uncasing, or sweeping any person with the muzzle of a PCC, whether loaded or not, even if a chamber flag is inserted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 You should see any outlaw 3 gun match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Kevin, that's why I don't sling it. Too easy to sweep someone. I am also carrying it to and from the cart muzzle down so as not to accidentally muzzle sweep when I bend over to pick up my ULASC round. Slings are not needed, and I think should be removed when the permanent rules are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, OPENB said: Kevin, that's why I don't sling it. Too easy to sweep someone. I am also carrying it to and from the cart muzzle down so as not to accidentally muzzle sweep when I bend over to pick up my ULASC round. Slings are not needed, and I think should be removed when the permanent rules are done. I agree. If we are sensitive to sweeping with a flagged PCC, then slings just present too high a risk of sweeping the shooter or others on the range. Furthermore, slings create the opportunity to hang up on the shooter or stage props, increasing the chance of a safety infraction. Getting rid of the sling option entirely simplifies things wonderfully. Personally, and coming from the 3-Gun world, I don't see a huge safety problem with declaring a flagged long gun to be "inert" in the same way as we treat a holstered handgun. However, we PCCers are guests at USPSA handgun matches, and so we owe it to our hosts not do things that make them uncomfortable. Edited October 4, 2016 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theWacoKid Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Sarge said: ... Two shooters on my squad last weekend slung their PCC. I lost count of how many times they swept every person on the squad. Grrrrr.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 How were they slinging their PCCs? Muzzle up, down, out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 As the rules permit. They were more or less reasonably vertical muzzle down pointing about 5 feet away from them. Just enough to sweep everybody who went anywhere near them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Id say DQ. Im another PCCer that does not use a sling for this very reason. I also agree that sling permission should be done away with. Mine is carried muzzle down, strapped to a DAA range cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I've also been swept by slung PCCs, both two weekends ago and last weekend. The shooters seemed oblivious to muzzle direction as they talked about their gun and how much they enjoy shooting it. I'd also vote for no slings. They don't serve a real purpose in USPSA and folks seem to take them off when doing weak hand transitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmob50 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Chamber flag inserted, it's a stick! I don't see the issue. Another thing I like about 3 Gun, alot of shooters call it the big boy rules for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 10/4/2016 at 10:27 AM, StealthyBlagga said: I agree. If we are sensitive to sweeping with a flagged PCC, then slings just present too high a risk of sweeping the shooter or others on the range. Furthermore, slings create the opportunity to hang up on the shooter or stage props, increasing the chance of a safety infraction. Getting rid of the sling option entirely simplifies things wonderfully. Personally, and coming from the 3-Gun world, I don't see a huge safety problem with declaring a flagged long gun to be "inert" in the same way as we treat a holstered handgun. However, we PCCers are guests at USPSA handgun matches, and so we owe it to our hosts not do things that make them uncomfortable. Wow, this is perhaps the most well thought out and reasonable response I've read from a PCC advocate yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 46 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: Chamber flag inserted, it's a stick! I don't see the issue. Another thing I like about 3 Gun, alot of shooters call it the big boy rules for a reason. You may consider it a stick, 3 gun rules might consider it a stick, but USPSA PCC rules do not consider it a stick. If we are talking strictly rules here, then it's a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 46 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: Chamber flag inserted, it's a stick! I don't see the issue. Another thing I like about 3 Gun, alot of shooters call it the big boy rules for a reason. If you can't (or won't) point the muzzle where the rules direct you to, big boy or not you shouldn't be handling the gun around other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmob50 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Patrick Scott said: You may consider it a stick, 3 gun rules might consider it a stick, but USPSA PCC rules do not consider it a stick. If we are talking strictly rules here, then it's a DQ. Which rule are you speaking of specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 49 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: Chamber flag inserted, it's a stick! I don't see the issue. Another thing I like about 3 Gun, alot of shooters call it the big boy rules for a reason. I shoot 3 gun primarily, both outlaw and 3GN. I don't consider sweeping with a flagged gun okay, and neither do any of my squadmates. I once ended up on a "big boy rules" squad. I brought the rules infractions to the attention of the MD and was rewarded with bad scoring calls from the RO the rest of the day. I love 3 gun but stupid people can really ruin a match quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: Which rule are you speaking of specifically? PCC 10.5.2.1 as listed in a previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmob50 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 So since the "best practice" guidelines allow slings and if you get close enough to someone you can be swept, then the shooter should be DQ'd right? Even though the shooter isn't doing anything to physically sweep someone right? So if the gun is in a cart the same applies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Yes, folks, It's a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 But he is doing something, if he allows his muzzle to sweep someone. Let's not ruin this experiment before it has a chance to succeed. Slings serve no purpose in PCC in USPSA. I believe that is true for 3gun as well. I'm shooting PCC & I vote DQ as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: So since the "best practice" guidelines allow slings and if you get close enough to someone you can be swept, then the shooter should be DQ'd right? Even though the shooter isn't doing anything to physically sweep someone right? So if the gun is in a cart the same applies? If we are following the rules, any sweeping is a DQ. Do I agree? Maybe, maybe not, just speaking to the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmob50 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Haha! If you can't admit that you're wrong then by all means, revert back to grade school. Carrying a slung rifle is considered the equivalent to a holstered pistol, period. Ask whoever you like. Unslinging(if that's a word) and slinging is another story but the OP said that people were being swept if they got too close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just read the rules, follow the rules. Sweeping is a safety issue and a DQ. Swinging the rifle around, even on a sling, and sweeping people is a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jmob50 said: Haha! If you can't admit that you're wrong then by all means, revert back to grade school. Carrying a slung rifle is considered the equivalent to a holstered pistol, period. Ask whoever you like. Unslinging(if that's a word) and slinging is another story but the OP said that people were being swept if they got too close I'm just going by the rules for the division as written. I don't understand the confusion or the reason for your personal attack. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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