Nimitz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Don't think there is a thread yet specific to just a discussion about optic choices for CO pistols so let's start one ... What are the options and pros and cons of each .... All I know about optics is that I love the C-mores on my 2 open Steel Challenge guns ... .... And that I won't be putting a C-more on my Shadow for CO ..... Edited January 29, 2016 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Shoot Fast Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 New rules for CO out today on USPSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 I know, that's why I started this thread ... With the weight limit change people like me who shoot heavy CZs (Shadow) now can play so I need to figure out the optics thing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Well, I like Burris FastFire IIIs for everything. I like the 8 moa dot. Three of them are slide mounted. One is on a Burris Novak mount on a 1911. One is directly mounted to a custom 1911 slide. The third is on a Springer Precision Shadow mount for my Open CZ upper. The fourth is on a Picatinny Mount on my custom Buckmark Open gun. All function flawlessly. The oldest is on the Novak mount and has survived 40,000 plus 45 ACP rounds with no issues. I've never changed a battery. Other advantages of the Burris FFIII are very little parallax, and they can be removed from the mount and returned without affecting zero at all. Cost for these ranged from $215 to $235. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The SIG Romeo 1 may be a viable option, I'm thinking of getting one when they become available and building up a backup gun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 .... And that I won't be putting a C-more on my Shadow for CO ..... Why not? Other than overall height, is there much of a difference between the STS2 and the RTS2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I bought a JPoint, but only because I needed the lightest optic possible to keep my CZ75 below the old weight limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ85Combat Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Delta Point Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 .... And that I won't be putting a C-more on my Shadow for CO ..... Why not? Other than overall height, is there much of a difference between the STS2 and the RTS2? I was looking for something with a smaller profile ... Anyone have a Doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I like the CD JPoint, works great on my Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 .... And that I won't be putting a C-more on my Shadow for CO ..... Why not? Other than overall height, is there much of a difference between the STS2 and the RTS2? I was looking for something with a smaller profile ... Anyone have a Doctor? zhunter uses Docter on his CZ P09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 .... And that I won't be putting a C-more on my Shadow for CO ..... Why not? Other than overall height, is there much of a difference between the STS2 and the RTS2? I was looking for something with a smaller profile ... Anyone have a Doctor? Are JPoint and Docter the same size? I havthe en't compared them SBS, but they sure look close. The JPoint is the lowest profile I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 FF3 is what I will be running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarosean Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Running the DP Pro 2.5 MOA +No need to remove sight to change battery +Auto on +Adjustable Brightness - Have had the sight wash out once on a 2 target array in a match. I did not however have it adjusted to full brightness, but watched it dissapear. Not sure if that would have mattered or not (???) Must have been aligned with the sun perfectly???? no other problems in approx 1400rds, has held zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I like my Doctor Sight It is a always on dot so no messing with switches or it going off during a stage. The dot has been great for everything from bright sunny days to outdoor night matches. It has been proven to be durable with over 100K on a Major 9 Open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Nimitz, the adjustment range of a Docter sight is quite limited, so be certain the platform the sight will mount on is parallel to the bore axis when in battery. The Docter sights and the FastFire sights are physically different shapes, but use the same four locating pin locations and the same attaching hole locations. The JPoint mount is completely different. The RTS2/STS2 mounting holes are much closer together and that might be an advantage when milling some slides for direct mounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Shoot Fast Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I just ordered a Burris FFIII to go on my M&P CORE 9MM Pro. Didn't want to spend $500.00 or more on a dot just starting out in this new division. Will see how it holds up. I was concerned about warranty on some other brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarosean Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It has been proven to be durable with over 100K on a Major 9 Open gun. Is that slide mounted or frame mounted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It has been proven to be durable with over 100K on a Major 9 Open gun.Is that slide mounted or frame mounted? Frame mounted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernelofwisdom Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 For all around value, the Burris FastFire III seems hard to beat to me (if they had a bigger window version to me it'd be near perfect). The 8 MOA version is very visible in daylight and the sight is tough and you can replace the battery without losing zero. Adjustments are easy too. I have or had an RTS2, Docter and the first version Deltapoint. I'd pick the Docter second. The delta point had the tiny locking screws for adjustments, had to remove to change battery, and the light intensity adjustment blew. The RTS kept failing. When they fix it or if they come up with RTS3 and it works it could be a winner. Like to hear on some of the other newer offerings out there; good idea for a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpd54 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 For a straight up competition pistol you might consider the dual illuminated RMR. They now have a green dot option. No batteries to worry about. The complaint about the dual illumination models is that the dot washes out with a WML attached and when shooting from dark to light areas (inside a dark house to outside in the sunlight). Not usually things you see in a typical uspsa match. I had a dual illuminated RMR on my duty pistol a few years ago and while the dot (only had Amber back then) became dimmer in certain situations, I was always able to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillChunn Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Leupold DeltaPoint Pro Battery can be replaced without removing the sight. 8 brightness settings Power Saving Mode - If no movement in 5 minutes, it shuts off the dot. Immediate activation when moved. 40 MOA click windage and elevation adjustments. Sight protected by metal frame around lens. Optional rear iron sights available which are also adjustable. Two different "dots" - 2.5 MOA dot and 7.5 MOA Delta triangle BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbob21 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Anyone know the mounting solutions for some of the optics mentioned? Luepold? Burris? Most of the aftermarket slides and slide cut companies are milled/drilled for RMR... So any of these fit on RMR spec' cuts? Or do you u have to specifically find someone who offers multiple cuts with multiple adapter plates? Thx Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited January 31, 2016 by bigbob21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernelofwisdom Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Leupold DeltaPoint Pro Battery can be replaced without removing the sight. 8 brightness settings Power Saving Mode - If no movement in 5 minutes, it shuts off the dot. Immediate activation when moved. 40 MOA click windage and elevation adjustments. Sight protected by metal frame around lens. Optional rear iron sights available which are also adjustable. Two different "dots" - 2.5 MOA dot and 7.5 MOA Delta triangle BC Just checked out pix of it after reading your post. Sounds like they fixed all the nits from v1. Very cool looking sight - looks very high quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andersonj55126 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The height of the Romeo3 less the mount: · Front rise = 1.26 in / 32 mm · Rear rise = .48 in / 12 mm The objective clear aperture dimensions a 25mm x 21.5mm The overall width is 28mm Romeo1: The clear objective aperture (window) dimensions are approx. 28mm x 18mm, or 30 mm diagonally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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