donno Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Springfield 1911 9mm Anybody with a SA 1911 9mm have any trouble with getting it to group? I have one that is super reliable, it will feed and cycle any and all ammo with all my mags. The problem is keeping them on paper at 25 yards. I have had groups as bad as 9”-10” from a sand bag. For a double check, I have pulled out other 1911’s I have and shot from same bag and get 3”-4” all day long. What’s the remedy? Match grade barrel, bushing? Thanks Donno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPatton Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Just what constitutes "any and all ammo"? Need a little more info about what has been tried so far. Reloaded, factory, bullet weights, bullet OAL, etc. That might narrow the number and type of responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donno Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 From WWB to handloads. 147-Rainier, 3.2TG, 1.14". Shoot same ammo in 3 different guns get 2"-4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPatton Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 What OAL can the 147s be loaded to in that barrel or is 1.140 it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Hello: I would check to see how loose the barrel bushing is in the slide and on the barrel. My new Springfield Loaded 9mm is a tack driver. Thanks, Eric Edited November 14, 2015 by Aircooled6racer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I would try a new bushing to start. You can get an angle cut bushing from EGW that matches the slide ID and barrel OD. That should help a lot. If not, then I would look at a match fit barrel and bushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumphrider Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I would look closely at the bushing and barrel crown. Good lock up is very important as is the last part of barrel that touches bullet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) EGW angle bored bushing fit tight and EGW .200" slide stop helped get rid of some of the slop in mine. Still rattles in battery but shoots nice enough groups (3" @ 25 yards offhand). Edited November 12, 2015 by robertg5322 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Springfield 1911 9mm Anybody with a SA 1911 9mm have any trouble with getting it to group? I have one that is super reliable, it will feed and cycle any and all ammo with all my mags. The problem is keeping them on paper at 25 yards. I have had groups as bad as 9”-10” from a sand bag. For a double check, I have pulled out other 1911’s I have and shot from same bag and get 3”-4” all day long. What’s the remedy? Match grade barrel, bushing? Thanks Donno My guess would be either the barrel is no good (crown?) or the barrel to slide lockup is just not consistent. I have a tool that helps diagnose this. It's a bore laser. I put it in then load a magazine of snap caps and "snap load" the slide to simulate firing then check the bore alignment against the sight picture. On the guns I have that don;t group, I can see the bore alignment "wander" with respect to the sights which is the slide. The #1 degrader of accuracy in a semi auto is how the barrel locks up with respect to the slide. A new bushing might help. Edited November 12, 2015 by bountyhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg1911 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I have had the same experience with my 9mm RO. Sent it bach to the factor , the did a refit on the slide which seemed to help some , it is as you say super reliable but nowhere near as accurate as my 40 or 45 1911s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you are getting 9" to 10" groups at 25 yards off sandbags with loads that are proven to shoot 2" to 4" in other guns, there is definitely something wrong. I assume you have checked your sights to ascertain that they are not flopping around or loose . . . . . . correct? If so, and the gun hasn't been obviously abused or "home gunsmithed", I would ship it to Springfield for evaluation and repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you are getting 9" to 10" groups at 25 yards off sandbags with loads that are proven to shoot 2" to 4" in other guns, there is definitely something wrong. I assume you have checked your sights to ascertain that they are not flopping around or loose . . . . . . correct? If so, and the gun hasn't been obviously abused or "home gunsmithed", I would ship it to Springfield for evaluation and repair. You say ""home gunsmithed"" like it's a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertg5322 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Springfield 1911 9mm Anybody with a SA 1911 9mm have any trouble with getting it to group? I have one that is super reliable, it will feed and cycle any and all ammo with all my mags. The problem is keeping them on paper at 25 yards. I have had groups as bad as 9”-10” from a sand bag. For a double check, I have pulled out other 1911’s I have and shot from same bag and get 3”-4” all day long. What’s the remedy? Match grade barrel, bushing? Thanks Donno My guess would be either the barrel is no good (crown?) or the barrel to slide lockup is just not consistent. I have a tool that helps diagnose this. It's a bore laser. I put it in then load a magazine of snap caps and "snap load" the slide to simulate firing then check the bore alignment against the sight picture. On the guns I have that don;t group, I can see the bore alignment "wander" with respect to the sights which is the slide. The #1 degrader of accuracy in a semi auto is how the barrel locks up with respect to the slide. A new bushing might help. Don't forget the lower barrel lugs. A .200" slide stop sometimes works to help lock up the rear of the barrel a bit better, even a .203 if it'll fit in the frame hole. It made a difference on my gun. Still loose at the rear (barrel has a bit of play when you press on the barrel hood when in battery) but it's better than it was. Edited November 13, 2015 by robertg5322 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Springfield has the best customer service in the industry, hands down. Give them a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm8300 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If you end up getting a new bushing, try the EGW - it will take a little fitting but def worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstur Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I NEVER sell guns (my boys are both shooters) but I sold mine for that reason. I made a chamber cast and found out the throat is real long but I don't know if that has anything to do with it. A new properly flitted barrel is the only fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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