Gilligan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Does a slamfire when changing mags or closing the bolt prior to stage start result in a DQ for unintentional discharge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Good question. Not sure what the rules say but it does indicate that you need to fix your rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) In short, yes. I haven't read all the rules but there is no broken gun clause as far as I know in any of then so if the shooter ND's then its on them. However depending on some matches it may be a stage DQ instead of a match DQ, but again it depends on the rules youre shooting under. Edited May 1, 2015 by Moltke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilligan Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 A slamfire with an AR is not necessarily due to a defective rifle. It could also be caused by reloaded ammo that has a standard small rifle primer rather than a thick primer such as CCI BR, CCI magnum, or CCI 41 primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Or Tula KVB-556M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Firing a round while loading, reloading, or unloading is an AD and therefore a match DQ in every rule set I have read, whether it is due to a slamfire or a misplaced booger-hook. I do not believe I have seen or heard of a set of rules that allows an AD to be only a stage DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1911 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) This has happen to me while ROing. Couldn't ascertain whether it was a SF or an itchy trigger finger though. Because of this, it is required that the rifle is on safe coming to the line and muzzle is pointed at the backstop before dropping the bolt. Some guys like to drop the bolt when the muzzle is pointing over the mountain. I would DQ. Edited May 2, 2015 by SF1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If it's during reloading or during make ready, yes absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Match DQ. Good reason to have a titanium firing pin in your low-mass carrier. Edited May 2, 2015 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 This has happen to me while ROing. Couldn't ascertain whether it was a SF or an itchy trigger finger though. Because of this, it is required that the rifle is on safe coming to the line and muzzle is pointed at the backstop before dropping the bolt. Some guys like to drop the bolt when the muzzle is pointing over the mountain. I would DQ. Being on-safe will not prevent a slam-fire. The malf in question is when the inertia of the firing pin is enough to discharge the primer as the bolt slaps shut. Muzzle always in a safe direction is a good policy, as the safety doesn't help in this instance. Any time the gun goes off outside of a timed run and pointed at a target is a go-home if I am the RO. That way you have a free afternoon in which to replace your unsafe parts/ habits with good ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Hmm??? Well in My case it was treated as a detonation and I was allowed to continue after the R.M. checked my rifle. Safety was on and finger was straight and the R.O. saw that this was the case. I have never run a steel pin since....oh yeah made sure that it was pointed at the berm.....and so should everyone. A slam fire isn't necessarily a D.Q., but if it goes over the berm there is no saving you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Interesting, Kurt. Under the USPSA Multigun rule 10.4.4.1, the only exception mentioned for detonation is specifically stated "while unloading" a firearm. At least in their rulebook, a Slamfire during loading is considered an AD. I may be wrong, but that is my recollection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You may be right or you may be wrong, but it doesn't change how it was interpreted at the time. Bottom line was I got to shoot so I did, so in my experience...NO it doesn't always lead to a D.Q. For clarification, I didn't argue or protest, the R.O. called the R.M. because he saw me put it on SAFE and saw my finger STRAIGHT and he wanted to know how to call it. He said I want to make the right call on this so let me check on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoky Bear Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Plus it gave time for the folks watching to clean their shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1911 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) This has happen to me while ROing. Couldn't ascertain whether it was a SF or an itchy trigger finger though. Because of this, it is required that the rifle is on safe coming to the line and muzzle is pointed at the backstop before dropping the bolt. Some guys like to drop the bolt when the muzzle is pointing over the mountain. I would DQ. Being on-safe will not prevent a slam-fire. The malf in question is when the inertia of the firing pin is enough to discharge the primer as the bolt slaps shut. Muzzle always in a safe direction is a good policy, as the safety doesn't help in this instance. Any time the gun goes off outside of a timed run and pointed at a target is a go-home if I am the RO. That way you have a free afternoon in which to replace your unsafe parts/ habits with good ones Your of course correct on the slam fire. I should have just mentioned the itchy trigger finger. Edited May 5, 2015 by SF1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
window2time Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Kurt, based on your comment am I correct that you only run titanium firing pins now? What is your favorite brand? thanks Hmm??? Well in My case it was treated as a detonation and I was allowed to continue after the R.M. checked my rifle. Safety was on and finger was straight and the R.O. saw that this was the case. I have never run a steel pin since....oh yeah made sure that it was pointed at the berm.....and so should everyone. A slam fire isn't necessarily a D.Q., but if it goes over the berm there is no saving you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowfin Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Firing pin inertia? Seems to me it could be from a pin stuck forward from carbon fouling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Doc Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I've had slam fires and the firing pin wasn't stuck. Switched to titanium hasn't happened since. Avoid Bushmaster "titanium firing pin" I bought one several years ago and was significantly lighter and had a yellow coloration for easy identification. I bought a second one 6 months ago and it was heavier than the steel one! Try to return anything to bushmaster it's near impossible I gave up. I googled titanium firing pin and there is a company based in Florida that makes them and come with a certificate of authenticity. These are very very light and with over 7000 rounds and no problems whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowfin Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Back to the matter of primers, I was having light strikes all the time with CCI so switched to Remington. I gather Federal are the softest so avoid them if for no other reason than safety in progressive presses. Is this really a concern so much as to go all the way to the hardest, or are we talking about rare flukes that are almost not worth mentioning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Blackheart International LLC. makes a great Ti pin. As for Federal primers in a Progressive, I've loaded a metric crap ton of them, both big and small, on a 650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schmitt Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I was instructing this weekend and cant count the times i had to reiterate to the shooters to load their rifles with the muzzle pointed to the berm. You cant bring a slam back but we can decide where it goes by our loading actions. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colodrew Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I have not had this happen in a match however I did have it happen in practice. I always drop the bolt on a live round pointed into a berm or the ground in front of me down range. The round that went off for me had a smeared primer and I was curious what would happen or if it would even fire. Now we all know. I also have went to Ti firing pins as a little insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I've had it happen with GI parts and munged primers, either high because an unswaged round slipped in, or squished because I'm a doofus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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