Steve Koski Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 http://youtu.be/HjQh50toKIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 NIcely put together. I'm still trying to understand the reasoning for the rule, and I usually at least understand the other argument even when I side against it. This one, I still don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent #1911 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) this is a contradicting rule. how can the SO keep an eye on the "finger on trigger" violation while watching the shooter's feet? epic fail IDPA. Edited September 19, 2014 by Agent #1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg308 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Good job Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetorian97 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Who are we to argue with Navy Delta Green Seal Beret Team 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I didn't catch it at first ether.... the pivot foot (right foot) was very close to coming off the ground but after reviewing the slow motion, it looked legal. The hard part to me is arguing who is right. The SO called the PE, how did the shooter argue out of it? you can't use video as a replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 BP: I did a super zoom in on her feet too, during the editing process. She did not lift up her pivot foot, but with all of that motion, it is really hard for the SO to keep track of what is what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Just one more Rule that is so ambiguously written that five different SOs can call it five different ways. I thought the NRB was supposed to get rid of all these "Rules" that were subjectively called. They partially achieved that by ending 'Round Dumping'... but they have a long way to go to achieve a truly concise and definitive RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another example of why so many of us who have tried IDPA once or twice, never went back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetorian97 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another example of why so many of us who have tried IDPA once or twice, never went back. Trying IDPA once or twice and never going back will get you killed on the streets..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 I talked to Cody Ray, the call was for 3.9 leaving cover with an empty gun, and he was spot on. I heard it was a moving reload at the time. My apologies for my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Leaving a shooting position to advance to another shooting position with an empty gun is an obvious penalty... and always has been. The apparent confusion between that and 'shuffling feet on the reload' ... or a 'moving reload' ... is just another example of why someone with technical writing skills needs to go through the NRB... line by line... and fix this mess. If an MD and Rule Book expert, like Koski, can see two different things in one action.... then someone needs to bring the adults into the room and fix the RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Nice video......too bad it's set to private on youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADulay Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Nice video......too bad it's set to private on youtubeOK, I thought it was just me that got the "Private Video" message.AD Sent from the Glock Range Bag iPad using Tapatalk and a screwdriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Play by the rules. Have to admit though, I get tired of playing "red light/green light" with my 2 year old pretty quick these days too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I can say this, the USA would not exist if it were not for the flat foot reload. The red coats had the upper hand, just bad tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Would this rule be born for safety purposes? How many have been DQ'd or nearly DQ'd for reloading on the move while moving toward our weak hand side and breaking the 180 rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Would this rule be born for safety purposes? How many have been DQ'd or nearly DQ'd for reloading on the move while moving toward our weak hand side and breaking the 180 rule? The rule (as I understand it) was born out of IDPA's desire to be more "tactical". The reality is that IDPA is just a damned game and this rule just drives it closer to irrelevancy. Edited September 21, 2014 by elguapo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent #1911 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Would this rule be born for safety purposes? How many have been DQ'd or nearly DQ'd for reloading on the move while moving toward our weak hand side and breaking the 180 rule?The rule (as I understand it) was born out of IDPA's desire to be more "tactical". The reality is that IDPA is just a damned game and this rule just drives it closer to irrelevancy. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Nothing more tactical than standing still by a door way with who know what less than 2 feet away, on the other side while you are unarmed. Let's face it if your firearm is empty, your unarmed. Even if I shoot at a snake with a single shot shotgun, I move away while I reload. That is called instinct, humans are not the only species that have it. Edited September 22, 2014 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Another example of why so many of us who have tried IDPA once or twice, never went back. Trying IDPA once or twice and never going back will get you killed on the streets..... How so? Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Maybe IDPA should be a team sport, where a team of "operators" can go through the course at the same time. That would give more revelance to the always advancing format of the game. At least until the cardboard starts shooting back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Killed on the streets, real life, tactical...I would like to see stats on USPSA/idpa competitors who have been involved in actual SD situations. I will bet $100 that there are more "mega million" winners than people that would fit in that category. Not really sure if it makes any difference either direction you go in your games, just find one you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCOShooter Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The most ignorant rule in IDPA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC702 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Has IDPA ever actually given their thinking for why this should be a rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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