New4John Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Did some searching and didn't find much on primers. Looking at starting to reload 12ga. I'm not a big fan of CCI primers for pistol reloading due to hardness, but the 209's have served me well for my muzzleloaders. Is there a preferred SG primer among the reloaders? Winchester and CCI seem to be the most readily available. Edited September 4, 2014 by New4John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hello: It will depend on what hulls you are loading. Different 209 primers are different sizes. For Euro hulls I am using Rio primers and Fiocchi depending on the hulls. For Gun Clubs and Winchester I use Winchester primers. Lots of great reloading info on Shotgun World. I am liking my 3/4oz loads but you will have to tighten up one choke size. Pattern to see what works for you for what game you are playing. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New4John Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks Eric. Sounds like typical reloading trial and error... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goat68 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You should probably get a good reloading manual first. Shotgun reloading is different from metallic case reloading because each component is a variable in the pressure equation. That's why there are so many recipes for loads. Each brand and style of hull or wad has a different volume and shot charges are all measured by volume instead of weight. So the1 1/8 oz of shot thrown may actually weigh less or maybe you can't form a proper crimp. What fits in a Federal Gold Cup may not fit in a Federal paper base. Also if you get a press with a resized, you will be money ahead. I've never had any problems with either Remington, Winchester, or Federal primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodrig Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Best primers for the $$ IMO are Cheddite. You do want to make sure you follow the recipes from the manuals. Don't sub wads/hulls/etc. there's no "working up" as in metallic loading. Pick the recipe and stick to it. Cheddite primers load the same as Winchester especially if you're not trying to run up to the max listed load. However, they are slightly oversized and once you load a hull with cheddites, all others will likely fit loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
practical_man Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I use Winchester primers in Gun Club, AA, and Federal Hulls. I no longer mess around with euro hulls or euro shotgun primers. 3/4 ounce Claybuster 12 gauge wads are great for most target applications in Remington or Winchester hulls. I use them with 7/8 ounce load data with great results. I am a big user of Claybuster wads for 12, 20, and 28 gauge loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Nobel Sports are a good substitute for Winchesters too, just a tad less hot... used thousands and saved hundreds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Shotshell reloading is a different animal. If the data calls for "X Brand/Flavor" primer, do exactly that. Only sub components if the manufacturer says it is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New4John Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Good information, and I never would have thought. Thanks guys. Shotshell reloading is a different animal. If the data calls for "X Brand/Flavor" primer, do exactly that. Only sub components if the manufacturer says it is ok. Best primers for the $$ IMO are Cheddite. You do want to make sure you follow the recipes from the manuals. Don't sub wads/hulls/etc. there's no "working up" as in metallic loading. Pick the recipe and stick to it. Cheddite primers load the same as Winchester especially if you're not trying to run up to the max listed load. However, they are slightly oversized and once you load a hull with cheddites, all others will likely fit loose. Edited September 9, 2014 by New4John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histate Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 the cci 209 seem to be bigger than the Winchester and federal so once you put the cci into a hull it stretches out the primer pocket and your pretty much stuck with using the cci primers as the other primers will fit loosely in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Shotshell primers differ in size by manufacturer. Winchester AA and Remington Premier hulls will typically take the larger euro primers (Cheddite) but the some of the cheaper domestic hulls (Remington Gun Club and Game loads in particular) will not. If you are going to reload shotgun shells the first thing you want to do is pick a hull. All other components are selected based on the hull chosen. Shotshells are not like 9mm casings. Trying to load a mixed bag will not lead to good things. I highly recommend the Remington Premier hulls for either the 12 or 20 gauge. For 28 gauge and 410 I prefer the AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Remington Gun Club hulls are the same as STS and Premier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Shotshell reloading is a different animal. If the data calls for "X Brand/Flavor" primer, do exactly that. Only sub components if the manufacturer says it is ok. Do your LIFE a favor and pay very close attention to Tom's advice! Use ONLY recipes from the powder manufacturers. When you start substituting different powders, primers or wads behind a 3/4 - 1 1/8 ounce of lead shot a disaster can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You can safely use 7/8oz data for 3/4oz loads by using the Claybuster 3/4oz wad and drop 3/4oz shot. Same column stack height and less pressure than the 7/8oz data. Pressure will not increase. Cheerio on top before crimping can help with dished crimps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Cheerio on bottom. None on the top one. Edited January 14, 2015 by freakshow10mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azfred Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I use win primers in aa hulls, claybuster wads, everything works well for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Old thread but I need some info. Load data says 20gr. Of powder under 1oz lead. Can I load safely 18 or 19grn of same powder, hull, lead shot and wad? Would it crimp alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Done 18grn under 1oz #6 leadshots. Test fired without any safety issues. Very soft and light to shoot! Fell metal plates and poppers from 25y. Have not chronoed yet. Whats best was it cycled flawlessly in my SX3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 My only concern is it has collapsed crimp. Are there other issues on this besides aesthetics? How can I prevent or cure it technique wise? Im doing it in Lee Laod All 2. I dont intend to go to a MEC or Dillon anytime coz its going to be very expensive considering the cost of reloading shotshells vs factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Could try the Cheerio trick mentioned above. Pretty low cost option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Steve RA said: Could try the Cheerio trick mentioned above. Pretty low cost option. Thanks for the response. My problem is the lack of availability of reloading materials here in Ph. Theres not much options to work on so Im trying to look for techniques if any. Besides Lee Load All is pita to change bushings now and then. I experimented on altering the pressure in pushing the wad in and in crimping and noted some changes in the crimp. Lessening the pressure in both stages just up to initial light resistance made the collapse a bit less. But I dont know if this is the correct way. Also, does a collapsed crimp adversely affect the performance of the shots downrange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 By d way, whats a cheerio in shotgun reloading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkvibe Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 On 1/12/2015 at 10:31 PM, Pat Miles said: Do your LIFE a favor and pay very close attention to Tom's advice! Use ONLY recipes from the powder manufacturers. When you start substituting different powders, primers or wads behind a 3/4 - 1 1/8 ounce of lead shot a disaster can happen. Another vote for this. Pick a load and use what the recipe says or you could be very sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty o Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 53 minutes ago, BoyGlock said: By d way, whats a cheerio in shotgun reloading? same thing it is in breakfast cereal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, darkvibe said: Another vote for this. Pick a load and use what the recipe says or you could be very sorry. Im not substituting anything, but reducing the powder load. Does it count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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