Thehotrodpig Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just picked up my nib 627. Not what I was expecting from the performance center. Sorry for the cell phone picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Couldn't resist could you Dave? Lol. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Venting. I know it's how it goes and you'll help me fix it but I gotta vent a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WidowsSon683 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Not that much experience with revolvers. What exactly am I looking at in the pictures that is the problem? Not tryin to be a smart ass I just dont know what im looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Barrel is not on straight. See how the sight doesn't line up with the barrel rib. Barrel is over clocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And there is one too many "E"s in steel on the card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Why yes there is. Good catch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Over clocking the barrel is pretty common with Smith these days. I had a 625 JM that was so bad that you couldn't run the rear sight far enough to the left to get it on target. Easy enough fix with the right tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 It's too bad an American company that specializes in revolvers can't get it right even after going through the so called performance center. It will be fixed later today but it makes you wonder what those guys in the PC actually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Did you mean 625 NIB, instead of 627? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Don't send it back, have a smith set the barrel back to remove the constriction caused by torquing the barrel on and install it straight, hand tight, with red loctite. Also have him re-cut the forcing cone and crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almostold Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 My nib 627PC went back yesterday: hammer impacting frame below rear sight and out of time on three chambers. It looked like they crowned bbl with a dull knife - I took care of that with help from Brownells. I just hope the 929 isn't as disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The PC 627 I bought a few years back is the reason I no longer will ever buy another SW product. It's defects: 1) Barrel twisted (like yours) 2) Shipped with defective trigger lever (MIM part with no end, damaged rebound slide). 3) Frame not square, clearance between rear of cylinder and breech face was so narrow fired brass would sieze up the cylinder. 4) Barrel cylinder gap was "adjusted" by a gorilla with a mill file who chewed up the bottom side of the top strap. I had to do so much flipping gunsmithing on this thing just to get it to shoot. RIDICULOUS. Will never buy another new SW product again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo45 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Just bought a new EAA SAR 9 for a house gun for my wife. Good machine work, smooth and square, very little mfg cleanup needed. Shoots WWB into 3" @ 50'. Price? $246 shipped. Upshot? Made in Turkey! Hey S&W, time to wake up the quality control team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Whyte Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 What in hell is management doing for their paychecks? I'd can everyone in charge of that dept. They have to be working for the competition. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Ron, I am sure the metallurgy in Turkey is first rate. ........as I have seen high power clones blow barrel hoods with standard loads......LOL DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo45 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Ahoy Doug, Yes, no doubt there's some dubious examples leaving Turkish plants too. I wasn't intimating there was any parity. I'm just hoping to shame S&W into returning to the glory days and take pride in the work. What's the line? "Anything worth doing is worth doing right". C'mon S&W guys - this is the US of A! Time to cowboy up! None of us like to talk like this about American Made! Ron Yada-Yada - etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) What's the line? "Anything worth doing is worth doing right". C'mon S&W guys - this is the US of A! Time to cowboy up! None of us like to talk like this about American Made!I think that there has been a very big (and intentional) change in business model. I think at one time, they cared about quality and had people who could spot defects. Around ten years ago, the advent of CNC machining made some people believe that you no longer NEEDED gunsmiths or competent people and they all got the boot. After all, make the parts precisely and you can hire min wage monkeys to throw them together. Ever notice that all the major gun makers implemented a "lifetime warranty" policy around the same time? It was supposed to communicate that the quality must be great, but in reality it meant that the "final test" was now being done by customers. Ship them all, the customers will return the defective ones and we'll try to fix them then..... after we have already cashed your check. Edited January 4, 2014 by bountyhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Whyte Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Sort of like airline pilots using auto-pilot. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 The absolute worst action I have ever seen on a new S&W was on a 627 PC that I bought 8 or 9 years ago. I almost sent it back, and I almost never send guns back. Fortunately, that terrible action cleaned up into a wonderfully smooth action with a little effort. I agree the factory should do better with the guns they call PC, but they are still the best raw material for the stuff we do. What else you gonna shoot? Colt.....Ruger....Taurus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 If you're talking .38, a GP-100 isn't a bad choice. Costs much less bucks than a PC gun... has a much better interchangeable front sight system (even though the rear sight needs to be replaced) shoots lead bullets better... tunes up quickly... you don't have to worry about all of the screws S&W has loosening up and messing up your day. And, the big part is that you don't have to take your brand new gun and send it off to a custom smith to fix all the things that the PC should have fixed before they sent out out the door. Just a thought. But, I wouldn't trade my tuned 6-inch ICORE or 4-inch IDPA GP-100s for anything comming out of the PC shop these days. IDPA 23489 - ICORE FL2943 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree the factory should do better with the guns they call PC, but they are still the best raw material for the stuff we do. What else you gonna shoot? Colt.....Ruger....Taurus? Very true, it's a bummer but Revolverjockey (Lee) is helping me get it squared away and in the end I'm sure it will be a great gun. I have 8-10 s&w guns and will continue to buy Smiths but I expect better quality out of them. I'm still going to have a little talk with s&w and voice my displeasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 It took quite a bit to get my PC625 to where I liked it, wasn't anything real bad just a lot of fiddling. Had a M29=3 I sent back to S&W to have a new FP Bushing put in when they replaced a broken Hammer Stud. They did the Stud great, and put the FP Bushing in COCKED, you couldn't even cock the gun it was so bad. Sent that back again to get it right. Last spring bought a PC627 and it took very little to get it right where I want it. Action smoothed up easily and it shoots great, one of the most accurate guns I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well the barrel is now straight but the crown looks like poop. Time to recut. Performance center needs to do some house cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) I was using my iPhone and the pictures don't do the muzzle justice. No exaggeration to say there is .040" of protrusion around 30% of the crown. There is even an obvious burr on the protrusion. Lee Edited January 5, 2014 by RevolverJockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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